It’s completely wild that people drink cow hormone juice and then think that soy is affecting their hormones.
Its not. There are real conservatives who vote democrat/independent and always have. Regressives are always wasteful and intrusive fanatics unlike a genuine conservative. They might not agree with someone but don't waste their time trying to shove their worldview down someones throat. Just like a lot of people claiming to be woke also do. Both groups are intolerant and annoying.
Yeah but some centrist democrats obsessed with being open minded and "reaching across the aisle" like to promote them.
Not really. All you hear on either side of this morass is the squawking fanatics. The fact you think real conservatives are rare is really sad. Its why the false ones need to be labeled regressives. By playing their game you alienate people who otherwise would be an ally.
I'd be much more inclined to believe you if quite literally every single conservative I know except for one person hadn't gotten completely fucking unhinged over the past few years. So out of my admittedly anecdotal sample size of some tens of conservatives, it's funny how none of them has managed to be a "real" conservative.
One self-described "moderate" went as far as to tell me that he thinks the world would be a better place if all of us LGBT+ folks just stopped existing.
It's completely wild that... Husbandry exists? That we eat other animals? That we rot liquid food to drink it? That we use bacteria to curdle milk?
Hot bean juice!
I'm on your level. People get really weird about milk despite the fact that the majority of people consume animal flesh on a daily basis. Milk is way low on the weird food scale.
We've been eating animals a few million years longer than drinking their milk. (Lactose intolerance is far more common than generally thought.)
... If you're asian lol.
Take another look at your map there, because it backs me up.
Here's another, lactose Tolerance (notice Tolerance with a T) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance#/media/File:Lactose_tolerance_in_the_Old_World.svg It shows pretty much only Northern European heritage, iffy if you're southern European, and pretty much everyone is out of luck.
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Your comparison is stupid.
@idiomaddict talks about cow milk and soy milk, yet you go on a rant about how "cOw MiLk iS nOrMaL?!!".
By drinking human hormone juice and getting their hormones messed with. It’s good and helpful for babies.
The problem is that they give the cows growth hormone and high amounts of estrogen to encourage lactation and it's in the milk. I'm lactose intolerant like half of adults anyway so I do almond milk and olive oil butter personally.
I don't know where you live but I have never ever heard about giving estrogen to cows to force lactation. Just as a reminder, cows produce milk after they got a calf.
None of those chemicals are allowed to be present in the milk of cows lactating for human consumption. They test the milk for those chemicals at the dairy. If any trace amount is found, the whole tanker is dumped as contaminated.
That doesn't make any sense. Estrogen wouldn't even make a cow produce more milk. Are you confusing Estrogen with Prolactin? (which also isn't given to cows, but would at least have the effect you describe)
YO GIRLS, FEMMES, AND THOSE TRYING TO AVOID TWINK DEATH, YOU READING THIS??
YOU DON'T NEED THAT EXPENSIVE HRT, YOU JUST NEED TO DRINK MORE COWS MILK!
BECAUSE THE INTERNET CLOWNS SAID SO. JUST LIKE HOW THEY FOUND THE BOSTON BOMBER!
The point isn't that drinking cow milk will make you turn femme, it's that if cow milk doesn't soy milk sure as fuck ain't going to.
I seemed to have miscommunicated my joke. My original comment is completely sarcastic, and I agree with you.
afaik, it's not really a myth. it does actually have plenty of phytoestrogens and it's often recommended as a supplement for HRT. Probably not enough to have much of an effect on its own though
it does actually have plenty of phytoestrogens
you think because it has "estrogens" in the name it turns you into a girl. phyto- means plant. are you a plant?
recommended as a supplement for HRT.
by who? facebook?
by who? facebook?
You know what I've been seeing on Facebook lately (qualifier, I use it for my local village group and those last few friends that refuse to use anything else)? People posting the fact that the AstraZeneca vaccine used a modified chimpanzee adenovirus and implying this is the cause of the mpox business.
I would 100% bet they got it from Facebook!
I think I remember a 4chan post with the supplemental thing, might originate from there instead idk
I expect the soyboy stuff originated on 4chan. But I would believe the "evidence" for other people commenting about it is also on Facebook.
I mean on Facebook it kinda makes sense that the crazy rises to the top. The normal people limit their posts to friends only. You can spot the crazies. They have all posts set to world visible.
Nah, Facebook doesn't originate shit, it's too creatively bankrupt. It's just the amp for other forums
Exactly. It has a similar name in one of the ingredients. But: this ingredient is not estrogen and it basically has zero impact on the hormones in your body. And all experts know that. That's why there's no scientific papers supporting this whole soy / estrogen theory.
False, the phytoestrogens in beer are far more bioavailable, but also the animal estrogen in beef.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19524224/
Its basically been proven as bullshit, physiologically if you are healthy its not true. There MAY be edge cases where if you are lacking the vitamins/minerals/essential fats necessary for hormone regulation it MAY in SOME people cause SOME irregularity but edge cases are just that.
Phytoestrogens and estrogens have some similarities in their chemical structure and ability to bind to estrogen receptors, but they have important differences in their effects on the human body:
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Estrogens are hormones produced naturally in the body, primarily in the ovaries in women. They are essential for sexual and reproductive development and function[5].
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Phytoestrogens are plant-derived compounds that have a similar chemical structure to estrogens and can bind to estrogen receptors, but they are not hormones and are not produced naturally in the human body[1][4].
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Phytoestrogens typically have much weaker estrogenic effects compared to human estrogens like estradiol[1][3]. The effects of phytoestrogens depend on factors like the specific type, dose, and individual differences in metabolism and estrogen levels[2].
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Consuming phytoestrogens from foods like soy, flaxseeds, fruits and vegetables is unlikely to have a significant impact on estrogen levels or health, as the amounts are very low compared to what the body naturally produces[4]. Concentrated phytoestrogen supplements may have more noticeable effects.
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In some cases, phytoestrogens may actually have anti-estrogenic effects by blocking estrogen receptors or reducing the body's own estrogen production[1][3]. This is thought to be due to their structural similarity to estrogens.
Some potential benefits of phytoestrogens that have been studied include:
- Reducing menopausal symptoms like hot flashes in some women[1][3]
- Improving cardiovascular health markers[2][4]
- Reducing risk of certain cancers like breast and prostate cancer[3][6]
However, the evidence is mixed, with many studies finding no significant effects[1][2]. Potential risks include:
- Blocking estrogen receptors and reducing the body's own estrogen production[1][3]
- Interfering with thyroid function in some cases[2]
- Potential effects on breast and prostate cancer risk, though the evidence is inconclusive[3][6]
Citations: [1] https://herkare.com/blog/estrogen-replacement-therapy-vs-phytoestrogens/ [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7468963/ [3] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/648139 [4] https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320630 [5] https://advancedhormonesolutions.com/do-you-know-the-difference-between-phytoestrogens-and-estrogen/ [6] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074428/ [7] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0149763421005558 [8] https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/phytoestrogen
It's really strange that all of the replies to your comment are essentially agreeing with you but you got downvoted into the dirt for stating facts.
See, what his coworkers did was good bullying. Anon learned something and also wasn't fired for whatever skeevy pseudosexual thing he was implying about his coworker, probably over politics. Winning hearts and minds, people.
The really funny thing about this is OP is egregiously wrong.
Soy doesn't contain estrogen, it contains phytoestrogen, which not only doesn't produce any estrogen-like side-effect, but actively prevents our bodies from taking and producing estrogenic hormones.
This is all very ironic, considering drinking excessive cows milk leeches calcium out of our bones and exposes us to a smorgasbord of hormones not designed for humans.
Soy is shit tier anyway, oat milk all the way.
At this point I just don't believe anything weird anyone has to say about food humanity has eaten for thousands of years unless they can back it up with real studies from real medical journals.
Right?!
Its all just marketing. We die for whatever reason anyways just let me eat in peace!
I just do this with everything that is advertised as something big. The hidden danger of food. Source? What the president of a country said about its own country. Source? Anything not trivial gets treated as misinformation unless proven.
I think your initial claim of cow’s milk leeching calcium has the burden of proof and so needs a source.
Otherwise, it’s proving a negative (that cow’s milk doesn’t leech calcium).
You're right. After looking it up it seems like I've had some bad intel.
I've corrected my previous post.
I haven't totally believed this, but I also think its potentially useful to spread anyway. Sure, misinformation is bad, but so is climate change. Which one is worse?
Misinformation is always worse in the long run.
If people find out you knowingly lied about one thing, they'll assume you lied about other things that are more important, regardless of evidence.
Climate change being an excellent example of this where it wasn't so much lies as bad guesses and so many people dismissed it despite the growing evidence.
People still eat their carrots thinking it improves their vision.
I mostly agree with you, but but I haven't seen evidence either way saying it doesn't have this effect.
Just because something hasn't been proven one way or the other doesn't mean you should just believe either of them on a whim.
It's totally okay to hold beliefs tenuously and then not feel attached to them when they're proven wrong.
It happened to me here in this thread. I stated cows milk leeched calcium, but it doesn't, I was misinformed. There's no shame in admitting I was wrong, but it reminds me to be more cautious about assertions of fact in the future.
I don't want to be wrong any longer than I need to be.
Also cheese, eggs, meat, and even our environment due to waste products (feces, urine) generated by animal farms.
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my ma once said that because milk has estrogen in thats the sole reason why trans girls exist :(
You know what's great about nipple pus? You can make bacteria eat it down, then eat the resulting bacteria shit!
Add some fungus to that bacteria shit, and that's my favorite. Pair that with a yeast shit water, and it's heaven.
Out of all the things you can make out of soy, why milk? Tofu exists and it's grand-master based food. I'll smash several plates of mapo tofu without hesitation. Soy sauce, edamame, all ridiculously good shit.
I disagreed with you until last night about tofu. But gods damn that orange tofu I had last night was just excellent. Good tofu is apparently something that exists and was just always out of reach
People keep saying it's nice, but I've never had any good stuff. I would try it again if thought there was a reasonable chance I'd like it!
It was crispy and kinda tough and tossed in orange sauce at a vaguely pan-Asian restaurant.
Personally, I prefer soy milk to cow or oat milk because it has a better nutritional profile. It has less sugar and fat, and more protein, as well as having fiber. (Some oat milk brands do have fiber in them, but most of the ones I've found are very high in fat, sugar, and calories.)
Edit: And I like the not-overpowering vanilla flavored ones because I pretty much only use it for cereal or to accompany cookies.
If soy did do this, red states would be trying to regulate it so trans people couldn't buy it.
Amazing, prior to today I didn't know people could have this much information on soy and still end up objectively incorrect about its position relative to oat milk.
Go fuck yourself buddy. You and your non-oat-centrered world view need to check your privilege.
Soy is shit tier anyway, oat milk all the way.
Nah brah, coconut milk is the choice of kings.
Fragile bros terrified of phytoestrogen in soy will be chugging dairy milk without a single concern.
If you let your boss bully you into explaining what a soyboy is, you are in fact a soyboy
my family believes it completely. and hiding my actual estrogen is probably reinforcing their belief
And anon's boss actually did exactly the thing you're supposed to do when this happens irl.
Make them explain it for the group, and then socially ridicule them.
Just bully that fucking nerd. Maybe a swirlie, depends on the workplace culture.
As sure as people really believe greentexts happened and aren’t just fun little stories.
How the fuck does this get posted all the time without anyone ever picking up on the fact that this workplace dynamic is obviously made up and anon is literally a 4chan kid who just changed the actors in his story from ''teacher' and "classmate" to 'boss' and 'coworker' so he wouldn't get banned on an 18+ imageboard.
Not only that, but mammal milk is literally hormone soup. Including estrogen. And soy doesn't actually contain the same type of estrogen. They contain isoflavones including plant estrogen (phytoestrogen). Similar but different chemical, with different bioavailability in mammals.
Also:
For example, many studies have found that Western-type dietary patterns characterized by high intakes of red meat, processed foods, sweets, dairy, and refined grains are consistently associated with higher estrogen levels ( 3 , 15 , 16 , 17 ).
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/foods-to-lower-estrogen
Basically the diet of the carnivores that mock the soyboys. How's that for projection?
I like that it very slowly alternates just subtly enough to make you question your sanity like one of these actual types of people.
On that day, anon found out he really is a soyboy soyjack. Did he learn anything else? Nobody cares, only that soyboy won't manage to pull that on anyone at work.
Internet soyboy meets world.
The men are not impressed by what he tells them of what he has learned.
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What kind of fuckin idiot thinks that soybeans have synthetic female hormones of a caliber that would feminize you or whatever.
The same kind of idiot that conveniently ignores all the hormones in meat and dairy used to maximize profit
The soy thing has to be one of the funniest delusions I've ever seen.
People convincing themselves that all liberals are vegans, all vegans eat a diet primarily of soy, and that soy has compounds similar to estrogen, so therefore all liberal men are feminized by their diets and are therefore weak (because being a woman is bad).
The number of weird things you have to believe out of insecurity to get to that conclusion are quite embarrassing. It's quite a self-report.
You can also reverse the argument into mockery, accusing conservative women of being too masculine because they don't eat enough soy, then bragging about how feminine soy-loving liberal women are.
The hilarious part is that the phytoestrogen in soy and other plants isn't compatible with our biology. High qualities studies hava failed to find an effect.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7468963/
Meanwhile the actual mammalian estrogen that is in animal products does get absorbed and effect our hormones.
It's also why the most deeply delusional MAGAs have to convince themselves that Tim Walz is gay - because a gun toting bird-hunting liberal does not compute for them.
Hunting birds is gay now, actually.
Men hunt boars and shit like that. Moose. Bison. Bears.
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Finding a reason to completely disregard not just the ideas but even the humanity of huge swaths of other people is conservatism 101. Just give in to your most base tribal tendencies, and “know” that all those good-sounding ideas are in fact wrong and evil because they’re coming from the wrong/lesser people.
When you can’t argue against ideas, argue against the people saying them. See if ad-hominem attacks will work on people. (narrator: they did)
yes I'm boy a nonbinary entity and I was raised on tofu so actualmente la verdad es que no soy boy
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I'd like to use this moment in spotlight to highlight one of the greatest things on Youtube, i.e. hbomberguy's SOY BOYS: A MEASURED RESPONSE
Nah, I like that YouTubers like hbomber and Oki take time on their videos. It's like a gift when you see that upload pop up in your feed and you know you have something to look forward to later.
Sure, quality over quantity. They should also apply that to these 4 hour plus monstrosities everyone seems to do now. Ain't nobody got time for that. It was fun when it was an exception, but now all these youtubers are doing it. 30 minutes or so is plenty to get your ideas across with ample time for constructing your arguments and providing context.
I think I am just thankful for the giant feature length works of art that descend once a year crafted with the forethought and precision of one who refuses to compromise on the lengthy process of research.
By definition, cows are female.
Your joke sucks, unless it's a "onejoke", in which case it sucks even more.
Nut milk comes from bulls, now that's a better joke.
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Mature female cattle are called cows
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Mature intact male cattle are bulls
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Young female cattle are called heifers
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Young male cattle are oxen or bullocks
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Castrated male cattle are known as steers.
I was going to suggest digging up, but you’re on track to reach orbit if you maintain tunnelling on this bearing and momentum.
I moved to a rural area a few years back and there’s a lot of farms here. Thus, many of the people I’ve met are farmers or have worked on farms. After a year or so of asking people what they raise/grow on their farms it finally happened and I met someone who said they grew soybeans. I asked him if he was a soyboy and he was really not amused.
I’m pretty sure he saw it coming too, when he said soybeans I had to have a huge shit eating grin on my face. I was waiting for that day
I woke up and took a shit at my girlfriend's house and I think I woke up the rest of the house laughing, this is fucking amazing
I watched until he made the implication that pop2 by charli xcx isn’t a great album. ridiculous
"feminism is bullying me"
lol what a self-own. Incels and antifeminists are stupid af. Give the patriarchy enough rope to hang itself
"The patriarchy" isn't these losers though, they seethe because they're part of no in group but feel like they deserve to be.
Always thought soyboy is a way to condecendingly refer to a JavaScript developer. Because you know, beans.
Hard to stay on top of all the internet lingo.
What do beans have to do with JavaScript? I am familiar with Spring beans but that is Java, not JS.