https://variety.com/2024/film/box-office/deadpool-wolverine-highest-grossing-r-rated-film-history-joker-1236103888/
"Deadpool & Wolverine" is the highest-grossing R-rated film in history.
My friend and I saw it on Wednesday and it was pretty damn good. There were a bunch of jokes poking fun at Fox and Disney.
"Hey, Disney. Can I tell you to suck my dick?"
"Will it make me money?"
"Yes, lots of money."
"Will I have to actually change my practices in a meaningful way?"
"No"
"Lets do it. Now will you excuse me, I have legal battles to fight with the poors."
If the boss personally stands to make millions of dollars because I called them a couch fucker then I could easily call them a couch fucker.
We saw the same shit with The Boys. Ohhh what a biting satire of Amazon and the super hero media churning industry! They’re so upset!
If either was saying anything of consequence that actually spoke out against the people cutting their checks then they’d be left on the cutting room floor. I can’t believe people think for even a second these corporate sanctioned “acts of defiance” are in any way legitimate.
These shows/movies say a lot but that specific act is nonsense.
Edit: really and truly people need to take a step back and realize how boardroom influenced these movies are, even if they aren’t driven from the top. Studios don’t throw that kind of cash at a movie and not have a say and most of them really aren’t stupid.
Those jokes are almost as true as companies being thrilled to see you created a new account with them or sad to see you unsubscribe a newsletter.
The goal is to make them money and selling out with no consequence is a cheap way of doing that.
You and your friend just fell for it and its an honest mistake
We didn't "fall for" anything. It was a good movie and it was like $6 a ticket. Who would have thought that the goal of a movie is to make money? I'M SHOCKED WITH THIS NEW INFORMATION! 😮
I'm torn. Studio executives are not known for advanced level pattern recognition so they will see two data points of "billion dollar R rating" and "comic book" and want to make gritty, bloody reboots of things.
But I also like it when movies don't hold back on scenes and treats everyone as someone who wouldn't mind some light trauma with their movie snacks.
The Kraven movie just came out with a super brutal trailer so the executives definitely think "oh, the comic book stuff has to be bloody to make money now". Come to think of it, the jokey tone of Venom very much feels like a reaction to the first Deadpool as well.
I hope this means more R-Rated movies. Twisters was such a letdown and I can only imagine what it could have been if it wasn't so watered down. The upcoming Beetlejuice sequel will likely suffer the same despite the play getting it right. We need some damn adult entertainment!
Seriously. Kids already watch blood, gore, and sexuality in media on the internet anyway. This PG-13 crap is only there to make executives think they can reach the lowest common denominator for audiences without realizing it can make the story much less interesting for everyone.
Well the movie did just come out and you weren't 36 presumably when the movie came out that makes sense.
Just went a second time. If anything the movie is even better on rewatch. Easily the best of the trilogy. And the second time I actually enjoyed Emma Corrin even more as Cassandra Nova.
I mean, Alien Romulus is apparently pretty good too, but I understand.
The Hugh Jackman abs call to you.
I think the numbers still stand. The long time adjusted R rated box office winner was The Exorcist which is $1.011 Billion adjusted. Joker beat that with $1.078 so Deadpool and Wolverine is now the clear winner and it still has lots of theatre run to go.
Good info here, although not adjusted numbers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_R-rated_films?wprov=sfla1
Before the deadpools, it was the matrix 2, and then T2.
Agreed. It's was very entertaining and sometimes, went far deeper than necessary - the drama was done so well.
I haven't read the reviews. I dont even know what the reviews are saying. I just didn't like it as much as i liked the first two.
Also the parallel timeline theme really is being overused these days.
I really enjoyed the movie, but every super hero solving their problems by going through the "multiverse" is definitely getting boring
Honestly, I thought this movie was kinda terrible. Sure, I did enjoy some of the cameos, but I thought the jokes were a bit repetitive and felt overused about 30-45 minutes in. There was also barely any semblance of a plot. The only real plot development was adding the letter S in front of "He's going to destroy the universe". That's just not good enough to keep a movie interesting.
The fight scenes were pretty bland. The extensive use of slow-motion, bad cgi and most fight scenes being bad music videos made the movie feel incredibly drawn out and slow, which is killing for a movie relying on fast-paced jokes to keep the audience entertained. Watching a couple minutes of slow motion, 4th-wall breaking narration followed up by the same joke they've already done twice before got old quickly.
I got bored a third of the way through. The movie is also going to age poorly as a lot of jokes won't be relevant anymore in the future. The TVA was wasted, most actors reprising their roles had disappointingly little screentime. I liked the concept, but it was just... such a letdown to me.
I have little positive to say about it. Jackman was fun to watch, considerably more fun than Reynolds. Chris Evans as the Human Torch was fun, but he barely had any action and got killed very quickly. Then there were a couple others that just "showed up", basically unaltered from the originals with no real explanation as to why the TVA pruned them or what's unique about them.
Maybe the Deadpool movies are just a miss for me, seeing as other people do enjoy it. To me, it was a 4/10, just a continuation of the latest string of bad Marvel movies. Thinking about it, I think I even enjoyed Quantumania more than this one.
Your review is accurate but I went in with rock-bottom expectations and thought it was fine. The Marvel movies have been bad for so long that the best point of comparison is probably with The Simpsons at this point where it is a pleasant surprise to find a new episode is not a huge dumpster fire.
Haha perhaps I secretly had higher hopes this would be the turnaround. When I think about the potential this movie had and wasted it might as well have been a dumpster fire. Difference being that this movie didn't concentrate its terribleness in just a few moments I suppose.
Just an example: you've got Xavier's sister right? A super-powerful telepath able to read minds by quite literally getting inside their heads. She turns into the big bad because the dunce at the TVA slighted her for little to no reason, and the plot and motivations remained the same as it was before. Bo-ring.
Instead, they could've done something more interesting; remember the comics where Xavier himself read Deadpool's mind and realised what he knew about the true nature of the universe, and basically lost the will to live? They could've had Xavier's sister (I feel kinda bad for referring to her this way but I can genuinely for the life of me not remember what her name was) do the same thing after getting inside Deadpool's head. But instead of resigning to being just a character in a story, she could decide to end all stories by blowing up all universes (or perhaps she could try to regain her independence by destroying our IRL universe instead). The rest of the movie could play out the same, but with a more interesting motivation which is even lore-accurate.
I'm kinda torn. The first fight scene was so awkward that i almost turned it off again. Then it got a bit more interesting, but the jokes were hit or miss. The story was kinda awkward, not horrible, not great. Deadpool and wolverine repeatedly fighting each other got kinda boring, but they keep insisting that's what the people are here to see, so okay i guess. I also have to mention that i haven't seen a single trailer, promotional material leak or anything at all. So everything was a surprise for me, and probably the thing that tipped the scale for me. But it's not a masterpiece or anything, but hopefully it paves the way for better r rated movies, or it will crash and burn and they use it to just make r rated movies for the hell of it. Who knows 5/10
I didn't see any trailers or promo-material either, so I was spoiler-free too. Perhaps I went in with higher expectations? But reading your recount of the movie did make me realise why it probably fell so flat: there were little to no stand-out moments. I have a hard time piecing the movie's full timeline together only days after viewing it, because so little actually mattered to the movie's plot. A movie without peaks can only let you down I guess.
Hopefully they'll improve with future movies.
Want can't people find an in between these days? What must a movie be either "100% amazing!" Or "terrible?"
It doesn't have to be either of those. Imo, it just had very little going for it for me. It's far from the worst movie I've ever seen, but I was disappointed when I left the theatre, so I rate it a 4/10. I'm allowed that opinion, no?
TIL people have far different movie expectations than others on a scale I really didn't know was so far apart.
This movie is fucking great joke her is also pretty damn good.
Don't read the reviews just watch it for yourself make your own judgement call and move on.
What made it a stinker? The lack of super powers? And just to be clear, you aren't talking about the Leto Joker featured in Suicide Squad, right?
tldr: the movie said nothing original, and echoed nothing meaningfully.
Joaqin Phoenix is a great actor; this movie is terrible.
It was so plodding and goofy, and the "message", as far as there was one, was "look at me, nobody likes me because of my absurdly offensive vague"mental illness", girls don't like me because i don't bathe or practice hygiene, which isnt fair, so I'm going to shoot someone".
the world isn't bad, he's living in the world badly, and it's so lazy of the movie to blame it on a ludicrously contrived stereotype of a "crazy person".
for 2 hours.
20 minutes? could have been interesting.
2 hours? move it along.
The cloying sympathy for murderous self-pitying incels bothers me, but the terrible writing and limping pace of the movie sure kicked the film while it was down.
And then "oh but maybe literally everything was in his head so we just made you watch this dumb, slow, meaningless story glorifying murder and narcissism and also fuck you, why dont you tell me what it means i dont know."
Maybe that's what I loved about the movie. There wasn't really a message. It's a tragedy that just Is. Like a child presenting to you a dead cat. It invokes emotion but doesn't say anything. I am shocked if did so well. It's not for everyone. But it's execution is brilliant and it has its place. I look forward to the sequel.
those five seconds when he looks at deniro and shoots him were good.
but the moment is rendered meaningless and becomes insignificant in the context of why he shot him and the gobs of boredom surrounding that momentary glimpse of excitement.
what do you mean its execution is brilliant? which part?
i an curious what people liked here, because i saw:
the character has no development, is loosely based on offensive, inaccurate "idk crazy i guess", you're told twice that the movie is probably bullshit anyway and to ignore what you're watching.
i don't see why a child holding a dead cat would evoke emotion.
it's a dead cat.
Wash your hands.
I can certainly appreciate your viewpoints. I only watched it once and in theaters, so it's been a while. I saw it as a gritty version of what happens in the comics behind the "Pow!" action bubbles, but I can certainly see the incel justification take. I would say that was more visible to me with Riddler in the latest Batman, but didn't see it as much in Joker. I went into it on the recommendation of a very accurate depiction of 1980s NYC so that may have drawn my attention away from other themes.
I do agree, I'm not a fan of the incredibly vague suggestion that it might all be fictional - Joker, Shutter Island, Inception. I'll give it another go and look for the details, but it's one of the things I refuse to entertain. I could agree there's intentional inaccurate recounts of details but I always buckle down on "yes it actually happened"
totally get that, I'm glad you were able to enjoy it within a context.
i will now rant, and invite you to feel no obligation to stick with this tirade past your point of interest.
Heath ledger pulled off the "maybe this happened or maybe I'm fucking nuts" beautifully, and it worked in repetitive short bursts of creepy horror within tense, threatening situations.
But the filmmaker of joker shrugging and saying "hey those two hours you had to sit through, uh, who knows, he's crazy, look at his cuckoo-diary" is so lazy and unnecessary, only subtracting from a story already lacking luster.
i tried to get into it how you suggested, as context for the legacy character, but the plot points and his problems were so unjustified or lazily written that i couldn't care about the story.
plus, the filmmaker told us the movie doesn't matter twice, not just at the end: the girlfriend angle, while not critical, could be interesting because there must be some reason she likes-oh no, that was all meaningless time the filmmakers wasted with an empty revelation and no payoff.
the character is unchanged stuff none of that screentime mattered.
the audience is being pushed away like "hey if you don't like him, you just don't get it" and then plugging in marilyn mansion earbuds and pushing play passive-aggressively while pissing on ants.
i know crazy people and i know whiny assholes in real life, and the joker in this movie is a whiny asshole who is unrealistically lauded for negatively lashing out about his impotence.
the whole thing plays like a love letter to incel shooters and people who give up on the world before engaging with it, and because they gave up on it they feel worthy to punish it?
watching the joker is like watching a dirtbag kicking a whining dog they are too lazy to feed.
and the movie wants you to clap for them too!
that was fun, thank you for letting me rant.
I mean it certainly was a movie. I’m not sure what it tried to say or if it could’ve remotely landed without JP’s skills. Stinker is probably not right but it definitely wasn’t memorable aside from a meme or two unless one is a sociopathic incel who felt seen watching it.
It was definitely too long
I personally hated the movie not because it was a bad movie but because so well done. Literally no better way to execute the movie. It was a very real telling of someone that needed help and society crapped on repeatedly. I don't want to pay money to see a tragedy the feels way too close to real life. Like f this. I got to movies to have my bread and circus. I dont want to feel energized to cause some anarchy.
It was an extremely slow boring movie more akin to a taxi driver ripoff with a face painted MC built in the likeness of ole ' subway murderin Bernie Geotz.
I wouldn't say it was bad but I will say I have basically zero wish to rewatch it.