Grown ass adult man goes on screaming frothing rant on stream because Starfield has pronoun options
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https://twitter.com/CaptainFluke/status/1698246816871977247
— "Fuck you, falling into a world and just getting lost! No, no, no! Current-fucking-day! You take everything we love — all our immersions, all our fantasies, all our escapism — and you can't help shovel your dogshit, fucking-crap ideology into everything!"
— He won't fucking shut up. Knock him out.
[Challenging: Success] — The wavering of his voice, the tears dewing in his eyes, the erupting tantrum; he isn't acting like the usual grifters you've seen. He believes this. Video games are the only thing that he has. You can see before you the faded afterimage of a friendless little boy, kneeling alone in a patch of playground grass and clover. He's been this way forever.
— Don't go soft on a display this pathetic. Make an example out of him. His little computer-buddies need to be too ashamed to agree with him in the open.
What fucking Disco writer is secretly running this account, goddamn, how do you nail it every fucking time?
it really might be now that i think about it. they had the fuckin chapos as voice actors on release.
I like how how every half-light suggestion is to kill someone like a wild animal or crawl into a corner and cry
Discoposting is amazing.
HOLY SHITS THAT'S YOUR USERNAME I AM NOT JOKING I ONLY JUST NOTICED THAT 
It always blows my mind how angry capital G Gamers get about games where you very much have the option of playing a cishet guy but can also choose to play as someone different
They're viscerally angry that they're no longer the only target audience for nerd media.
They don't actually like video games, they just like being catered to.
Video games are fucking awesome and infinitely varied, so much more than any other kind of media, they're for everyone and that rules you fuckin chud dweebs.
I'm aware of it and that it was well-received, but I've never been big on stuff in the point-n-click adventure ballpark
Yeah, you're right, it's just so weird to me, like I didn't mind playing as non-white/male characters in games when I was a literal child and it's not like I was a super enlightened 10 year old or anything
one of the most popular games from my childhood was tomb raider where you were forced (at controllerpoint no less) to play as a woman
it was wildly popular
One of the biggest chuds in my own family was scared to play that game as a kid because playing as a feeemale would damage his mighty masculinity but he also jacked off endlessly to Lara Croft porn and bragged to strangers about liking porn that "put that (slur) in her place." 
He's also fine with Gambo being on TV when his small children are in the room (he's a father, unfortunately) but loudly raged (with them still in the room) about how a gay blowjob scene one time on the show was corrupting his children and that it should be a criminal act to have that where his kids could see it (they could see it because he argued they were "mature for their age" for everything else the show had going on in it until then). 
thats grim.I do wonder how Tomb Raider would be recieved if it was released today just as it was 1996, but with modern graphics.
Like on the one hand, forced to play as a woman. On the other hand though, if Lara had the design she had in 1996 would they not mind because she fits their traditional ideas of what "hot" is? Like modern Lara seems to piss them off I know that (even though she's still very much hot) but would old school Lara in modern graphics piss them off if it was a new franchise being released for the first time today? Makes me think.
I feel like it would suffer Seinfeld Syndrome and nobody would give a shit about it at all
Well you just brought to mind Last of Us 2 and the Horizon games. Both of which feature a female protagonist and both were subject of weird online chud tantrums.
They complained about the newer Tom Raider games too.
Yeah but those protags dont have big tiddy and an ass in short shorts you can stare at so im unsure.
i wonder how GTA San Andreas would be received today 
. it already caused a stir that made some people not want to play as a black person back in the day
fr, I was also a Jill Valentine "main" in Resident Evil (admittedly some of that was because you got to hang out with the GOAT Barry Burton but still)
Kids almost always have to be taught racism. Like they'll pick it up from their elders but it takes a few years.
It's extra funny because it's such an unoptimized mess that it actually is still only targeted at them because they're the only ones who can afford the hardware needed to play it
You should see them when a game doesn't even offer a white cishet option! They go Thermonuclear!
This is why “white genocide” actually does have a meaning beyond “racial integration.” If you take away a white person’s ability to live as the undisputed master of the universe—to take his own experience as normal and privileged, and to presume all others to be debased copies of his own primary existence—then you take away his whiteness.
from Buffalo Skulls
You're telling me that after the revolution you'll stop calling me 
and bleach demon? Do you promise? 
presume all others to be debased copies of his own primary existence
Would this be like thinking walking through a super market to buy apples and bananas before going to the baseball game is primary and then assuming someone in India is walking through an open air market to buy mangos and papayas before going to the kabaddi game? Like they can't imagine another structure to society, just superficial changes to the underlying permanent, 'natural' structure?
I think you're giving them a bit too much credit. They don't imagine an Indian doing anything, they don't think about them as people at all, only as vague "threats."
If the game was absolute dogshit I could see being annoyed by features that seem pointless. If the core of a game is shit, spending money on QoL features for small demographics seems ridiculous. Make solid mod tools and a solid game and it'll get sorted anyway.
"Small demographics" like... women.
This isn't just for trans people.
Hell even as a cis man I might want to play a woman, and I'd sure not want my immersion broken by other characters calling my female character "he" if I did so. Like its a roleplaying game, its cool to let me play a role.
I'm a cis man who rarely plays as a male character. I play games to experience something different, not to engage in power fantasies.
This guy is upset that the game reminded him that the real world exists, where he feels like things are moving away from a white male centered society. It shattered his power fantasy and reminded him he's an insignificant loser shouting into the void.
spending money on QoL features for small demographics seems ridiculous
To you and your selfish little bubble world.
Cry more.
Gamers by and large have no idea how video games are made and rarely are they curious to learn. This is one of the classic misconceptions: that there is a finite amount of a perfectly malleable resource (time, money, effort) that goes into creating a video game, and therefore the lack of any feature that you feel is missing from the game can be directly attributed to the presence of any other feature you feel is extraneous. In this case, pronouns are just one of many character creation options in an RPG -- the game genre that is all about the player creating and playing as a unique a character. It's a feature that's easier to implement than, say, even one more face customization option, and not meaningfully different in implementation from the classic "are you a boy or a girl?" option.
But development resource management's not really what you're complaining about, is it? You mentioned something there about "small demographics." Your point, your actual point, was about people whom you despise receiving any validation from a hobby that you believe should exist for you and only you.
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My man's complaining about being constantly taken out of the immersion
Oh, is it asking your pronouns every time you enter a new planet? Every time you boot up the game? Every time you're introduced to a new character? Yeah, wow, that's so excessive
Wait, what's that, only during the character creation screen and then never again?
Has your brain been eaten by maggots?
immersion
"People exist outside of this tiny bubble and that's terrible!" 
Suburb brain, not even once.
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Dumb question but wouldn't the game using your preferred pronouns actually add to the immersion?
Like I guess I play games differently because it doesn't bother me if I play a boy or girl character but if you are so hung up on the game asking your pronouns it seems like that's the kind of person that would WANT the game to call them by their pronouns.
Yeah, of course.
He's not actually upset about "immersion". He is upset because to him, this is a reminder that his side is "losing the culture war" as he feels. That the natural hierarchy, that right-wing ideology is based upon, is being disrupted because those at the bottom of the totem pole are being acknowledged as members of society on the same level as him. This kind of thing is unnatural and unacceptable to chuds.
Huh, TIL
I feel like if I said "top of the totem pole" when referring to people at the bottom of the hierarchy, people wouldn't get it though.
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It's like Jesus said: "Fuck the marginalized of society."
Also they are the fucking dorks that made this whole "culture war" in the first place. Try explaining to one of these people that they've walked by transfolk irl and not even realized it, like at all. It doesn't compute to them. They seem to think that trans only existed in the last 2 or 3 years. I had that convo with an ex-coworker because he thought there was a whole ass army of men dressed as women waiting to bum rush every public restroom to scoop up little girls.
Dumb question but wouldn't the game using your preferred pronouns actually add to the immersion?
Yes. His rant about immersion makes no sense. Also ranting about "current day" over and over again as if California invented gendered pronouns in 2020 and they wouldn't exist in the future?
It seems to me that he is so caught up in the culture war news cycle that he is unable to understand that these things exist outside of that and his brain is unable to process the word "pronouns" without thinking of Steven Crowder. Like some kind of twisted pavlovian response.
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Like some kind of twisted pavlovian response.
This right here is really probably what it is. Why weren't these incels throwing hissy fits about picking genders pre-2020? Like, idk you could pick your gender in Skyrim, Oblivion, Morrowwind, and any other Bethesda game. Does Starfield allow for [they/them] because if that is the only difference, then it's absolutely a Pavlovian response caused by shit like Chowder, Carlson, Shapiro, et al. And it's frankly disgusting. And I guess back to the old question, do these people not recall learning about pronouns in their language arts classes back in school before they dropped out? Gonna find out if this person has Twitch account and gonna hop in chat and start calling him "her".
Also ranting about "current day" over and over again as if California invented gendered pronouns in 2020 and they wouldn't exist in the future?
California has plenty of chuds. Take it from me. 
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I did actively notice that there is writing specifically included to take advantage of the fact they have a pronouns selector. The first example I spotted was a "hey new girl" from one particular npc, which would then refer to me with that moniker a few too many times thereafter.
I feel like if I noticed it and felt like it was included specifically for doing gender affirmations then it probably sends people like this into an absolute frenzy, which makes me laugh.
I mean, selecting gender has been in games since well before pronoun discourse. That's literally the "Prof Oak asking if you're a boy or a girl" stuff. The divergence comes when you have a masc body/face with "she/her" pronouns or sth.
gender affirmations
What the Epic G*mer chuds fail to realize is that they receive gender affirmations themselves in their "nonpolitical" games where everyone must play a grizzled middle aged white man that kills otherfied less-than-people to avenge his fridged wife and/or rescue/protect his camera-oogled teenage daughter figure while also sometimes having le sexy cishet sex.
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It doesn't show up in the clip but the game actually has John Oliver pop up in a live feed every 5 minutes to yell "IT IS 2023 AND THERE WAS A CHEETO IN THE WHITE HOUSE" at you
Fun fact: this is what virtue signalling actually looks like.
Whatever Mr Shouty divorced man actually thinks, he's not acting like this because he cares that much about pronouns but for the approval of his garbage audience.
Fun fact: this is what virtue signalling actually looks like.
Whatever Mr Shouty divorced man actually thinks, he's not acting like this because he cares that much about pronouns but for the approval of his garbage audience.
Same deal whenever some chud makes a performatively "aren't I cool" clown face while eating le steak and drinking le whiskey while holding le cigar to trigger the wokes. 
I love that pronoun choices cause so many chuds to melt down, please add them to everything 
(also for other reasons of course)
Yeah but I think these are crocodile tears and all of this is an act
He doesn't hate this, he probably loves that there's a shitty game that's "gone woke" or whatever so he doesn't have to justify hating BG3 and can just avoid talking about it
I believe it's the great games that have explicitly gone against his hate filled ideology that really hurt his feelings
and that's why i support authoritarianism, cause this asshole thinks he supports "freedom" but he's a fucking liar so he needs to be in a pit with some lead implanted into his brain.
ha ha holy fuck i'm still definitely not buying that game, but seeing this man transform into a gammon in real time means that when i meet 
on the road i will spare his life.
Please give me a pronoun slider except when you move it all the way to "man" it doesn't let you select it
he got owned by a trans npc later and it fucking rocks. these dudes are so fucking frothy and stupid it's awesome. on the one hand screaming about immersion and treaterinos and on the other hand failing to recognize that any reasonable future society is going to have a lot more options than just gender affirming surgeries and hrt
Perfection.
I think it might be this https://twitter.com/heelvsbabyface/status/1698457945711739062
Guy is an immense fucking baby
Same moment but he removes the part where the flips out when the NPC owns him with some idle dialogue. I posted the version we were talking about to SerLava
lmao sorry I missed it, the full version is way better
"nerves kicking in?" bouhahahaha
I’ve ever seen a trans clone in media before
Tleilaxu Facedancers come close, they are most probably clones and are shapeshifters and hermaphrodites. Also note how the bigoted Dune universe seems to despise them more for being hermaphrodites and being sterile than for being spies and assassins. God Emperor even straight up shits on them for that while not even moving a brow when he was ambushed in an assassination attempt by 50 of them.
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Probably like they reacted to walking simulators. They all hated Gone Home because if you followed a walkthrough you could beat it in 2 minutes
The revolution cannot triumph without the deliberate execution of gamers
How in the absolute fuck does taking a millisecond to choose "he/him" during character creation and then have characters call you by that pronoun for the rest of the game "break your immersion" anyway?
if you choose "he/him" it gives you a message that says "sorry this interactive experience is for the femmes and thems only" and deletes the install.
His logic was that he's reminded of politics when the game calls it pronouns. He'd probably prefer it to be called gender and have the little arrow signs. It'd be an almost imperceptible difference if you didn't care. If you're having a moment it matters a lot
I made the mistake of looking up live gamer reactions 
to this, and saw a lot of folks agreeing with this ghoul. Man, I feel so safe as a trans person these days. 
Also, it is simply astounding how easy it is to spot the reactionary if you even mention pronouns.
If an Epic G*mer ever, ever does an "attack helicopter" joke, you can discard them from your life forever and nothing of value will be lost. 
His entire rant is how he wants an immersive escapist fantasy where trans people don't exist. Is this person popular? He reminds me of that guy TotalBiscuit but less articulate.
tb was a light reactionary, as would be expected from someone of his privileged upbringing
his reviews were very useful for the technical aspect, which i don't see very often anymore
he was mostly good on trans rights, though his support came at the expense of otherkin and other non-standard genders (from his "if you're transphobic, fuck off i don't want your money" soundcloud thing)
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Complicated. I used to watch him a lot and I'm still very saddened by his death, but it's not that simple. TB was definitely more in the reactionary side of things during gamergate, he regularly threw oil onto the fire or more-or-less directly supported some of it, or made some conversation about it worse by not condemning it and not fighting against it. He was not an awful influence in that time and a lot of people were rightfully pissed off at him.
I appreciate some of what he did and said. I don't think he was particularily a bad person, more your generic gamer-brained dude, vaguely libertarian, but he was respected and had a very big platform which he used pretty badly whenever it went outside the realm of video game options, consumer-protection and the like. And he also built his brand on being a bit of an insufferable douchebag with an overly exaggerated accent.
I enjoyed his stuff more as after, as he matured, when he did things in a better context with better people, such as on podcasts. I think if he was alive now, he would probably look at most of the gamergate stuff with regret and shame, but who knows. My feelings about him are complicated.
Yeah I can appreciate all of this. My thoughts are certainly colored by my politics not being as coherent as they are now, so I'm far removed from how would perceive him now. But he usually seemed to have positive takes on most social issues, or at least the capacity to come around on them.
I'll likely never thoroughly engage his content again, so was mostly curious if there were any standout events or beliefs that I should reflect on. Though the original commenter wasn't referencing him in any of those contexts, so this may all be for naught haha.
This is fair, though the menu options that set TB off were resolution settings, not pronouns.
His "frames per second" and "FoV sliders" rants got his followers to outright harass, bully, and even dox independent developers that didn't heed the holy canon, so I think he wasn't so great.
are scum and it's hard to blame TB for people who will latch onto the dumbest things. I'm almost certain he wouldn't advocate they harass anyone and would like to believe he would chastise them if he were made aware of it, especially involving indies.
Everything that overgrown infant cried could very well be directed right back at him.
LGBTQ+ people just want to have a good time in fantasy media and get immersed in a story to be fully themselves using pronoun selection and seeing characters reminiscent of them and their people they know in real life.
However these whining maggots have to constantly shovel their soy ideology into everything, crying about muh pronouns as if LGBTQ+ people being happy is such a fucking abhorrent thing. Constantly reminding LGBTQ+ people of the very dangerous hostile body politic that they seek to escape from every time they go on one of these childish right wing tantrums.
And they've been doing so for about a decade now, it's fucking boring, pathetic even, how much importance these fascists still assign to their insane barbaric opinions as more and more people see them for the twisted creatures they are.
Yeah this is just being a fascist behind a mask. Why else would anyone throw such a tantrum over the miniscule addition of pronouns in a game if they didn't want LGBTQ+ people to exist outside a concentration camp.