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Germany issues arrest warrant for 'Ukrainian diver who played part in Nord Stream explosions'

https://news.sky.com/story/germany-issues-arrest-warrant-for-ukrainian-diver-who-played-part-in-nord-stream-explosions-13196799

The man, last known to have lived in Poland, was one of the divers who allegedly planted explosive devices on pipelines running from Russia to Germany under the Baltic Sea in September 2022, German media has claimed.

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footfaults

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who-did-this

Limited hangout to try and cover up that the US did it

chickentendrils

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It doesn't matter which nation produced the actors responsible, there is a ruling class of criminals who defy borders to create conditions wherein they can profit. The extent to which the constituent parts of this CIA/foreign intelligence services/business/organized crime network actually meet and speak frankly versus just generally being able to read the room is not important because the outcome is indistinguishable to us whether it's 10 guys in a smokey room or 10000 people acting as part of a system. It's a bad system either way and it should be replaced with one that makes any ruling class dictation impossible.

SorosFootSoldier

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But I thought Ukraine didn't do it and Russia blew it up instead as a false-flag operation? morshupls

miz

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I think that absurd line held in mainstream media for what, maybe two or three months until it was untenable and they started pretending that some Ukrainians did it in a tiny boat

Kieselguhr

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I think that absurd line held in mainstream media for what, maybe two or three months until ~~it was untenable~~ regular people forgot Nord Stream even existed

Frogmanfromlake

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Even worse that people will continue to believe it even after the truth comes out

TechnoUnionTypeBeat

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they started pretending that some Ukrainians did it in a tiny boat

Looks like that's going to be the official line if they're looking to arrest a single guy and maybe a handful of others

It's absolutely absurd to believe that this was done by three people on a tiny fishing boat but that's what's going to enter the public record forever and anyone who disagrees is a tankie

SacredExcrement

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Yup.

Russia blew up their own pipeline that was printing them money, so that they could lose lots of money AND anger the West more, instead of just turning it off. Or charging even more exorbitant prices. Or just not doing that.

So many levels of idiocy, and yet that obvious lie worked

shipwreck

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Egon

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He's not though? The guy has managed to maintain power for more than a decade, crush the influence of the oligarchs that ruled before him, avert a coup, crush his opposition and dislodge the US from it's stable position as the undisputed ruler of the globe.
Putin is naive and a right-wing bigoted dickhead, but he's not stupid.

SacredExcrement

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He's just pointing out the liberals' logic

Nobody sensible thinks he's stupid, man's been in charge of the US' chief rival for 20 years

Egon

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I did not pick up on that at all, thanks for clearing it up

Diuretic_Materialism

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Usually stupid people still have some internal logic to their actions.

quarrk

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It’s a short step to just say it was a Russian-sympathizing Ukrainian

Diuretic_Materialism

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I was told those don't exist

vovchik_ilich

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No true Scotsman Yadda Yadda

a_party_german

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FALGSConaut

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Chief federal prosecutor Erwin Rommel

hitler-detector

BynarsAreOk

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lol Rommel being one of the main figures in the clean Wehrmacht myth. They'll take the nazi detector and say "yep we found one of the good ones".

Evilphd666

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Rommel

Who would name their kid i-am-adolf-hitler

FALGSConaut

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That's why it caught my eye! Sure people are going to have the same last name as historical monsters, it happens, but giving your kid the same name as a fucking nazi general? That sets off the hitler-detector

RyanGosling

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I recently learned the rapper Young Dolph’s name isn’t a reference to diamonds, but to his full name Adolph lol

Egon

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My biggest gripe with journalists is that they think they're journalists

Egon

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The schmuck who wrote this garbage probably truly believes that it's a piece of "unbiased" and "objective" reporting.

I've met enough of these idiots to know that, as a profession, they truly believe there's such a thing as objective reporting and that they're doing it - or coming as close to it as possible. I've had so many discussions with these idiots which boils down to me just repeating myself because they can't seem to get the basic fact that "when you report on something you have to make decisions on what to include and exclude, and just by doing this basic thing you are no longer presenting an objective retelling of events. Any depiction of the truth requires that you decide how to depict it".

If you wanna bring up how money or politics influences it, forget it. They'll go full whatabou- oh wait no it isn't that, because we're the uh... The good guys... They'll point out how China is totally worse actually. Then they'll want a discussion about what censorship really is, but fuck me if I wanna have a discussion about censorship with an idiot who doesn't understand that "when you write about something, you're making a decision just by way of how you write it." Especially when I've read these idiots articles about protests that got teargassed and they all contact the chief of police for a quote. It's insane how often I've read the phrase "the police was forced to deploy sticks and teargas."

Journalists are the dumbest people around and they really suck because they think they're smart and enlightened.
If you were enlightenedas a journalist you'd start out by accepting you're a propagandist, that's your job. Only by accepting the actual state of affairs will you be able to address them. I fucking hate journos, dumb smug brickheaded pieces of shit. It should be legal to drown them

ksynwa

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Maduro saying "you are not a journalist, Jorge. You know this."

jackmarxist

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I don't understand this, is the man literally named Volodymr Z(elensky)?

BelieveRevolt

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The article I posted says his name's Volodymyr Zhuravlov.

Egon

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not-hillary but it's Zelensky wearing the glasses

Kieselguhr

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Imagine you're a liberal journalist working at one of the largest news sites in your country, then you write an article like this.
Most liberals are technocrats and they like to pretend to be professionals.

How can you take yourself seriously after covering Nord Stream in western journals, and not sounding the alarm bells that this is complete and utter bullshit? Even worse for Germans, this could be considered treason, at least in some sense.
How are their heads not exploding from the cognitive dissonance?

peppersky

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literally nobody gives a shit

like for fucking real if you want to shit on germany there are a billion fucking reasons to do so, but someone blowing up ten billion dollars of pipe isn't fucking shit on the radar

REEEEvolution

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And the destruction of this much money is investigated in such a lackadaisical fashion, and nobody raises an eyebrow? Completely insane.

You have to understand that Germany is now more of a vassal of the US, which is kinda insulting to medival vassal relations. During the Cold War there was some leeway, but Merkel got rid of all of that.

RyanGosling

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99% positive that the US paid some ukranian guy to steal a useless blastcap just to have evidence that a ukranian was involved

MaoTheLawn

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I did think immediately 'ah, they've found themselves a fall guy'

More info will come out in time, I suppose. Give it 50 years.

FlakesBongler

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someone

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I'm certain that this guy is already at a CIA black site, if he hasn't been killed by them already.

mkultrawide

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Ukro diver

You've been down too long in the Baltic Sea

That's what we told Germany

a_party_german

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GOOD post

SynopsisTantilize

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Lol dio reference. 10/10

o_d

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marx-ok

mkultrawide

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Whatever this was, it got removed.

Leon_Grotsky

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You can click the little fediverse icon under the comment to see the comment in the poster's instance and see it that way

abc

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marx-ok IT WAS OUR OWN EMOJI kitty-birthday-sad

o_d

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It's probably because I used a github link to the image. I don't mind having to write the markdown, but I don't know a good way to lookup the hexbear emote links outside of hexbear.

kitty-birthday-sad

BelieveRevolt

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This article left out the best part: the guy's called Volodymyr Z michael-laugh

https://www.politico.eu/article/german-authorities-obtain-first-arrest-warrant-ukraine-nord-stream-bombing/

aaaaaaadjsf

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mask-on

blobjim

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zelensky-navi

MaoTheLawn

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Can't believe that actually made me laugh out loud. I am truly poisoned.

ZeroHora

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The 'Ukrainian diver' is russian or Germany became tankie? /s

macabrett

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"The ukrainian diver is russian" is the most dominant theory on Reddit and I'm not joking

never forget the boston marathon bombing and the geniuses over on that site

gueybana

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I witnessed that shit live. I swear, every big terrorist attack in the US gets South Asians the big stick.

Al Qaeda hit the Towers? An Indian/Pakistani IT nerd gets whacked, bonus points if they’re Sikh.

Dagestani white dude bombs marathon? Where are the brown mother fuckers.

It’s always color pallette. All the time every time.

Dollars to donuts the propaganda posters against Russians will have them depictdd with brown skin

ZeroHora

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Besides the implication of Putin destroying a thing that he already posses been idiotic, the phrase "ukrainian diver is russian" is itself dumb.

bumpusoot

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If I was putin and I didn't want the pipe I would do the third dimension clever chess move of just turning it off, or like.. not building it.

huf

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the cope i saw on reddit-logo was that it would've been terrorism to not blow the pipeline up and this is good.

gueybana

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You can play in the nba with that reach

GrouchyGrouse

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data-laughing

GarbageShoot

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I can't tell if this is a bit

ZeroHora

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is not completely obvious that is a bit? lol I gonna add a /s

GarbageShoot

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I could just be dumb, I have a hard time gauging that sort of thing with accounts from non-communist instances

Ram_The_Manparts

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lmao

jackmarxist

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Germany has become pro Russia we have to nuke them NOW!

QuillcrestFalconer

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Russian agents have infiltrated the German government

QuillcrestFalconer

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Russian agents have infiltrated the German government

LaBellaLotta

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My head canon is that whoever did this may have been Ukrainian but they were for sure CIA asset and now the state department will begin their inevitable process of abandoning Ukraine and throwing them under the bus for their own failures in this conflict w/ Russia

TheLastHero

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yeah, CIA provided the planning and equipment and they just grabbed some local manpower so they can take the fall instead if necessary. Textbook plausible deniability. Looks like the Ukrainian operatives got away with it anyway with Poland's help (they are so rabidly anti Russian they for sure would help them and the US with this)

DamarcusArt

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Look, it was 100% Ukraine ok? Sure they might've recieved training and equipment from the US, and the US might've briefed them on their mission and provided all the intel, and the US dropped them off and picked them up afterwards, but this is 100% Ukraine and we must proudly and patriotically ignore the US's involvement in this in order to throw this week's scapegoat under the bus!