"Don't protest my genocide unless you want another guy who will do genocide to win" is a hell of a hill to die on, copmala
This is such a brunch lib response. They definitely know who their base is, and its not people who care about genocide
its not people who care about genocide
You mean people who care about false genocides like the one supposedly in Ukraine and China.
Yeah after a streak of looking like they want to win this was my "ah, there's the Democrats I know" moment.
The fact that most Americans think this is what a progressive looks like shows how fucked we are.
Donald Trump Jr. is our most progressive politician and once all the megafauna is extinct it will no longer be possible to be progressive
Donald Trump is the megafauna, he is tragically the last remaining endling of the North American Woods Ape, Bigfoot himself.
He did give everyone money. That is the most direct action anyone has taken to help the US people in a generation or so.
My main cultural knowledge of Teddy Roosevelt is the extremely weird hard on old Cracked had for the guy
Dude regularly touted the sort of rhetoric we would call 'White Genocide' today. Shaming white women who didn't want to have children and stuff like that.
He was a jock and a bully and people do enjoy that he would occasionally bully upper class people. That was cool but it was simply downstream from it him being terrible to everyone
I was hoping Kamala would at least have the sense to pin Gaza on Joe and say that she supported the UN and ICJ or something like that, but she really is committed to just continuing the genocide on her own watch exactly as it's going now huh.
We need to see what can be (a Jewish ethnostate), unburned by what has been (decades of indigenous resistance)
Lmao a turbolib in a discord I'm in shared this clip saying its an example of the viral clips that will help her which is so funny.
"If anything it's the way they protested that undermined their cause since they wouldn't let her speak and they kept interrupting."
Remember when BLM protesters interrupted Bernie and he actually shut up and let them talk?
He may be flawed but the US is still worse off without him
I mean, what a fall you would have to take to shut them down after a long history of activism for them. To go from getting arrested protesting with them, to silencing their continued protest, what a fall that would be.
Nice representative "democracy" we have. Glad to know the VP represents her constituents. Heil Cocomala Harnut!
template here, this is an update to a previous image that had Jill Biden in a white suit from a magazine cover
I honestly feel sick to my stomach about how it seems people have just stopped caring about Palestine since Joe dropped out. I see way more people do the "Trump would be worse" thing, even a lot of people who trashed the concept beforehand! And so many more people are suddenly talking about it like a "minor foreign policy issue."
It felt like something was in the air, something was about to happen, something was about to change and now people are supporting genocide and talking about harm reduction again.
It's just copium hope that kamala will be better on Palestine. There is a lot of evidence that it isn't true but people hope it is since she doesn't own the past 300 days of slaughter.
It's being astroturfed to hell and back, and everyone without principles and a coherent ideology is falling for it
Last time the Dems won without Michigan was 1976. I've thought the Dems were making better moves in recent weeks but idk, this seems dumb as hell. I don't expect her to do anything good about the genocide, but actively antagonizing pro-Palestine people seems stupid.
I knew this was going to happen, I said it the day Joe dropped out. People voting uncommitted were a mixed demographic of actual principled voters standing against a genocide, and disillusioned liberals who wanted anyone but Joe Biden to run. I believe the latter is the larger group. Like others have said after the fact, Kamala ticks all the liberal identity boxes, and now, Waltz also slots right in to cover all the other groups.
My understanding, too, is that the rest of the audience tried to shout them down, which is telling. The way this was relayed to me when I first heard about it was via a TikTok where the commentator referred to the chanters as "Hecklers", also telling. Reports are, Harris, before taking the stage, spoke with leaders of the uncommitted group and wanted to get contact information to start a dialog, expressing interest in a possible arms embargo against Israel (I have not verified this) See this comment for more details.
But if that was true, why is this the response she gives to their chants? What is she signaling in this moment? She's clearly not talking to them, but instead talking to everyone else in the room. Her words are painting the chanters as opposition. She tries at least one time before this comment to calm their chants. Did they get under her skin, and is this a raw reaction to their disruption? Is it a calculated message? Either could be true.
If she really was trying to make a connection with this group of voters before getting on stage, then why did she not take the opportunity to address the issue? Why not say on stage that she is coordinating conversations with their group, that she wants to hear them out directly, and that their concerns are valid? Either this is a true showing of her actual political savvy (as in, a lack thereof), or she is giving up the game right here in front of them.
Regardless of intention, the message is loud and clear. Vocal support for an anti-genocide position from her is in opposition to their campaign. Even if she doesn't believe that, her words imply it. As others have pointed out, Michigan is an important state, and the voters who can make or break their chances are not white well-meaning liberals, they are Muslim Americans who have real stakes at play. The position of the next president on Israels Genocide have real, material impact on them, and I doubt they will remain silent about it.
I’d be interested in any evidence supporting this part, because it feels like cover and entirely contradicted, as you pointed out, by her actions in the speech
A source I've found.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/07/us/politics/harris-israel-gaza-war-protests.html
Before Vice President Kamala Harris confronted pro-Palestinian and anti-Gaza-war protesters on Wednesday at a campaign rally in Detroit, she faced demands from the leaders of a group that has mobilized voters to protest the U.S. government’s support for Israel.
The founders of the Uncommitted National Movement, the group that mobilized more than 100,000 people to withhold their votes from President Biden in this year’s Michigan primary over his support for Israel’s war against Hamas in Gaza, were among those invited to welcome Ms. Harris and her new running mate, Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota, to Michigan in a photo line.
There, the founders, Abbas Alawieh and Layla Elabed, said they asked Ms. Harris for a meeting to discuss an arms embargo on Israel. After 10 months of war, Gazan health officials say nearly 40,000 people, many of them women and children, have been killed.
In a statement, a Harris campaign spokesman said only that “in this brief engagement,” the vice president “reaffirmed that her campaign will continue to engage with those communities.”
Ms. Harris has emerged as a more empathetic voice in the administration, elevating the plight of innocent Palestinians who have been killed, starved and displaced in Israel’s war against Hamas. And while she has reiterated the United States’ support for Israel’s right to defend itself, she has issued the most forceful condemnation of some of Israel’s tactics. But crucial Democratic voting blocs who oppose the war — including Arab Americans in battleground states — have demanded more action, particularly for the United States to stop supplying Israel with weapons that have been used to kill scores of civilians.
In addition to an arms embargo on Israel, the Uncommitted leaders have asked for convention speaking roles for a representative of their group and a Palestinian pediatrician.
“I appreciate her leadership, and I know the Uncommitted voters want to support her, uncommitted delegates want to support her,” Mr. Alawieh said, “but our voters need to see her turn a new page on Gaza policy.”
Mr. Alawieh said that he “felt an openness from V.P. Harris, as well as a listening ear from Governor Walz” about their concerns.
Ms. Elabed said she broke into tears as she introduced herself to Ms. Harris.
“I told her that I meet with my community members who are losing tens and hundreds of family members every day,” Ms. Elabed said, “and we need something from her that can guarantee that we can save their families’ lives.”
Later, as Ms. Harris spoke in front of a raucous crowd that her campaign estimated at about 15,000 people at an airport hangar in Detroit, a small group of pro-Palestinian protesters shouted to interrupt her.
“Kamala, Kamala, you can’t hide,” they chanted. “We won’t vote for genocide.”
At first, Ms. Harris brushed them off, suggesting the hecklers were evidence of democracy in action. Her supporters tried to drown them out with chants of their own.
But the protesters were not ushered out quickly, and the chants continued. Eventually, the exasperated vice president made her feelings clear.
“If you want Donald Trump to win, then say that,” Ms. Harris said. “Otherwise, I am speaking.”
The crowd roared its approval. The sharp retort — or Ms. Harris’s staffers — clearly did the job, as the chants soon died down.
During a small news conference at a coffee shop in suburban Dearborn earlier in the afternoon, Mr. Alawieh practically begged for Ms. Harris to not put Arab American voters in the position to help Mr. Trump get elected.
“It’s as important as ever to beat back Donald Trump’s hurtful, destructive agenda and the plans that he has to accelerate the genocide against Palestinians in Gaza,” he said.
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Can you imagine having the absolute PRIVILEGE necessary to be a single-issue Gaza voter in this election? With abortion, voting, and LGBTQ rights on the line and Harris being the only thing standing in Project 2025’s way, and they’re gonna campaign against her? I cannot fathom the blinders these people have on.
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Imperial violence never comes home. You can lend massive material support to the slaughter of tens of thousands of people while suppressing anybody who thinks that's bad and it doesn't affect your home society at all. Not a lot of people know this, it's a bit of a pro gamer move.