https://electrek.co/2024/07/31/tesla-full-self-driving-was-on-during-fatal-crash-with-motorcyclist-police-says/
Tesla’s ‘Full Self-driving’ features were reportedly on during a previously reported fatal crash with a motorcyclist, according to the police....
he admitted to being on his phone? manslaughter aside, he needs to be in prison because he's too stupid to be allowed back in society.
We really need to develop a coherent set of positions on criminal justice at some point. It's an enormous, everyday issue, and there's this constant ping ponging between "we need to abolish prisons now" and "obviously this serious crime deserves prison time at minimum."
It's of course not always the same people making the two comments, but as a group, leftists are all over the map.
The issues with re-education are:
There's plenty of little social and bureaucratic annoyances that can be levied on someone until they show up. Don't go to re-education? You're not allowed to buy liquor till you do, or you're suspended from hookup apps, or your money's no good at festivals and sports events. Non-carceral, non-fine penalties that are still enough of a social annoyance to be worth biting the bullet and taking care of.
It is hard to thread the needle between recognizing "retributive justice" is generally just morally wrong and the idea that systemically you probably need some sort of negative consequences available to help shape societal behaviors
Here’s my position
Prison abolition isn't "prison is bad," it's "prison should be abolished." Even in the most generous reading, it's "prison should be used as an absolute last resort," which means wildly different things to different people.
All I'm saying is we should develop a coherent position on such a common issue.
In the same way that it will take time to advance society to a moneyless classless one, I can imagine that full prison abolition would take societal structures to be developed before it is fully realized.
The driver is 56yo so his parents are likely already dead unless you mean someone else lol.
I would not just assume someone most likely in their 70s is dead. It's not extraordinarily unlikely but it's certainly not a given
One Model 3 on self-driving mode almost hit me head-on recently. It was approaching a 56kph/35mph intersection where I was in the left turn lane. The driver was heading straight. All of a sudden it jerks into the opposite left turn lane and keeps going straight before he stopped it mid-intersection. It didn't even attempt to slow down or signal/start a turn. That turn lane was just a third straight one which evidently can't register a white truck.
I can't wait for Tesla to eat shit and cut hardware/software support. It's so antisocial to buy one and the owners should be punished.
Every 6 months or so I'm like "what if I had a cute scooter to drive around places", and then I remember that driving any kind of motorcycle is a very quick way to get killed, even more so now that I have to share the road with the malfunctioning robots.
hehe... Strap some car break lights on the back that you can control with a hand switch instead of needing to actually break to activate them. (Assuming that the Tesla doesn't mistake you for an Emergency Vehicle and speed up towards you.)
for real. little scooters and e-bikes are perfect for so much urban travel. basket for groceries, helmet that says, "I am The Christ" or whatever is cool these days.
literally all that stops me is getting murdered by all the crazy driving boxes and cagers.
almost got T-boned 2 days ago by some guy blowing a red light. if there had been any peds, they would be done-zo and if I was on something two wheeled, I would probably have a broken limb from having to ditch.
If you do, I recommend something in bright colours. It's just a small bit of added visibility.
Chuds explaining how it's still really important that their fash internet god still make cars with half-baked software that is just a series of if/else statements used to dictate the worth of another human's life: 
This is not the first motorcyclist murdered by a Tesla actually. The fucking things use cameras for the sElF dRiViNg mode. I know of one case where it didn't detect a motorcyclist stopped ahead and just plowed into it, killing them.
I stay well the fuck away from these things, at least as best I can anyway
I know very little about the technology involved in this sort of thing, but cameras?? Wouldn't lidar be a much better choice for spatial detection??
I probably know less than you lol, but I do know that they choose not to use lidar because 
wants to only use cameras as one of his genius ideas.
Deep down everyone wants self driving to be real because we know driving sucks. So I have mixed emotions when a tesla shots thr bed like this.
we are automating something that sucks in part because it involves crashing. so tesla is doing what it was meant to all along.
Just give me more trains and separated bike paths and I'll be happy. During the winter, maybe increase the frequency of the buses because I'm a baby about the cold.
If driving sucks, I'd rather city planners focus on building up alternatives instead of trying to make driving suck less. Make it suck more so people stop.
When I was staying in sf recently I discovered a brilliant new hobby: cruising around on a dirt bike in the middle of the night and just forcing the self driving cars off the road lmao
It is a little dangerous, but I don't think it's as bad as you might think bc you are operating at pretty low speeds and of you do get hit it will most likely be a bump from the side
All Tesla owners and all owners of “self driving” cars need to be put on the same list as sex offenders and notify their neighbors when they move. I am 100% serious
I was biking the other day and a Tesla was coming from the other way and I saw the car kinda' steer towards me a bit before the driver corrected it, but it was a gravel road so I'm both assuming maybe the irregularity of the gravel causesd it and/or no one would be stupid enough to do that but Tesla drivers are fucking stupid.
In April, we reported on a tragic accident where a driver in a Tesla vehicle admitted to using “Autopilot” and not paying attention when he drove “his car lurched forward and crashed into the motorcycle in front of him” – killing the motorcyclist.
Oh it's just an accident.
I cannot stand western "journalists". They are such pathetic cowards. I also hope the Tesla driver suffers for this for the rest of their life.
Even "traffic-aware cruise control" in these things is awful. Why are they trying to make it do something even more complicated when they can't get this right.
Not if there is a cyclist on the side of the road. Or a bird that lands in the middle of the road, then takes off. Or a cop car that squeezes between you and another car (I was driving 80km/h and very quickly ended up at 20.)
You think prison is bad but you want to see drinking and driving punished? Interesting.
smiley for this one
