https://www.gq.com/story/why-men-are-rawdogging-flights
“I've got DMs on Instagram like, ‘Bro, you need to teach us how to bareback flights,’” says a pioneer of the swashbuckling trend.
All of those words have meanings that have nothing to do with sitting quietly on a flight in quiet meditation.
Sitting in solemn ponderance of my life and decisions to be made
"BAREBACKING LIFE LIKE A SWASHBUCKLING PIRATE WITH LOTS OF CHEST HAIR"
You: no bathroom breaks and staring at the ceiling of my flight like a true red-pilled warrior.
Me: steam deck and my entire library of pirated games and a bathroom break every hour.
Rawdogging fights means not wearing a mask in the barely ventilated space of the cabin. This article's concept for rawdogging makes no sense.
Yeah I'm rawdogging flights:
High as fuck on valium, wishing the plane would stop shaking
"Rawdogging" is perhaps the worst synonym for "meditating through" that I can think of. I'm sure dudes who rock will come up with something worse soon enough though.
I’ve been flying too much recently and, while I bring my deck and have plenty of other distractions prepared, I usually just put my noise canceling headphones on and zone out. With all the stress of travel and life in general I’m rarely in the headspace to engage with anything while flying, it’s nice to just kinda dissociate for a few hours. I’ll need some kind of stimuli for anything more than like 5-6 hours though.
I could totally see rawdogging a relatively short flight, the hardest part for me would just be the noise. It’s a bizarre thing to be proud of though, like it’s some masculine feat to sit still in quiet for a few hours? I understand the modern world has conditioned us away from that but you can absolutely choose to do it whenever. The true alpha gigachad move I wish more of these guys would do is just walk off into the wilderness and never return
This actually doesn't seem too bad. In a way it's like a mini digital detox. I don't really see anything wrong with it. Kinda weird to see ppl here acting like it's "psycho" to try this. Humans haven't had any kind of tech for 99.99% of their history, so kinda of just being alone with your thoughts has been the norm and what we basically evolved with. What's actually "psycho" is thinking that constantly having something entertaining at your call and beckon is normal. To anyone that thinks otherwise, take a deep breath, step back, and really look inward and do some self-crit.
It's only because it seems to be associated with red-pill stuff that ppl here seem to be so annoyed with it. If it was a marxist that advocated this, would ppl really be so upset? I could easily see Breht from Rev Left advocating for something like this. Honestly this just seems like "bad guy does stuff, so I don't like" shit. Once again, the western left is basically just "vibes" and "feels" in a weirdly idealist way.
The weird part to me isn’t the digital detox, it’s doing it on a plane. If you went for a walk in the woods and left your phone at home I totally understand. Sitting out in a hammock with just your thoughts, sure. But a flight? With that constant roaring sound plus the noise of 200 people? Miss me with that.
With that constant roaring sound plus the noise of 200 people?
On the plane sound is really audible. From my experience most ppl on airplanes are pretty quiet.
From my experience most ppl on airplanes are pretty quiet.
have you never met a baby? because there's usually at least one screaming baby, various chatter, slightly too loud intercom announcements, etc. and that's all on the mid-price airlines not the budget.
Well, if you’re forced to be there, make the most of it? Actually you’re right, I would way rather try to deal with everything while stuck on a plane and then have some free time to be in the woods, but executive disfunction, so…
if a Marxist recommended this I would still find it weird also the no snacks and no bathroom breaks bit is objectively weird
also your point about not having digital devices or books or anything for thousands of years is silly because we haven't had planes for thousands of years either
Right wingers always make something maybe a little medicinal and good into something a little bit extra weird that a marxist or any normal person would just never think of.
I don't want to be left alone with my thoughts because I've got shitty/disturbing/problematic thoughts
anxiety is often a straight up neurological disorder. telling someone with that to meditate is analogous to telling someone with adhd to just buy a planner.
of course it's possible to get good at meditating with anxiety, but it's a very uphill battle that's done despite one's anxiety and not because of it. It's definitely something you would pursue for other reasons and have to overcome anxiety for, not a form of (generalized) self medication. I'm also sure it works for some people with anxiety but I'm sick of a few people managing to "fix" their own disorders being touted as role models.
I’m pretty anxious myself. Meditation helps a lot. It’s not the only thing, but I do it everyday and feel less anxious than I otherwise would. I don’t think I’ve “fixed” myself, I don’t see anything wrong with myself. Meditation helps living with anxiety (and ironically ADHD). Meditation is not a panacea, but while it takes effort, it can help many things. There are many forms of meditation and everyone is capable if they put in effort. OCD specifically (like what the person I replied to is talking about maybe) in has reputable mindful methods of helping. I recommend ‘Mindfulness OCD workbook’ and ‘You are not a rock.’ I fought the urge to be hostile because I’m annoyed with people saying “it’s privileged to give any advice” when people’s actions have consequences for themselves. I don’t blame anyone for anything because we are products of our material conditions, but I try to be a good influence.
sorry it's hard to tell tone over the internet so it's hard to tell if someone is recommending something in a "this can help" way or a "you need to do this or else you're not even trying" kind of way.
Of course. I meant recommending as in “if either you or the person I was replying to are interested in actually learning about meditation for people with mental illness then here’s some good sources.”
O wait, you meant in the initial message. I didn’t mean “you fool, you should be meditating if you don’t want to have those thoughts rather than using them as an excuse,” but “ya know, despite being a little counterintuitive it might actually help.”
I don't think it's "psycho", but I only heard about it from dudes I come off as kind of chuddish flexing about it on social media.
digital detox
They aren't even staying away from electronics though! They're still staring at a screen, just a relatively boring one with flight info on it.
"this is how we've always lived so it's good" 1) specious reasoning 2) false premise, the airplane is the very symbol of modernity. as an experience, flying economy on a commercial airline bears the most resemblance to a voyage at sea, which was far from a common experience for most people and also the most surefire way we had to drive someone absolutely insane. 3) books
well you did kinda, just not exactly. It wasn't that it was good to live without devices but that you argued that we didn't need them because we haven't had them for most of history, which if you point to sea travel as they said really shows how essential keeping yourself busy is
I think its only because many/most people see flights as stressful unpleasant environments, not conducive to meditation or quiet relaxation. I don't think its a sign of masculine strength or whatever to sit through a shitty flight with no distractions, but its not "psycho" either, I'm sure it works for some people. Shit sometimes I've done it accidentally, it's the bragging about it and telling everyone about how many jealous DMs you get that is really stupid.
I had to abandon my cell phone in the airport in order to make a flight home a few months back and the two flights I took, totaling about 5 hours were absolutely miserable. The people doing this are psychos.
“I don't think men have the same ‘treat culture’ that women do, which is frankly a shame,”
points vaguely at video games, cars/motorcycles, sports memorabilia, alcohol, and other assorted hobbies that require purchases to enjoy
What is it about journalism that if you pursue it you only get a job given you're the most insuferable person on earth?
People basically have to be nepobabies to get a job in journalism to begin with, and then they either need familial wealth to survive on the shit wages and instability or they need to become SEO grifters churning out huge volumes of vapid slop. Those material conditions strongly bias them towards being insufferable in one way or another, whether that's the out of touch upper/upper middle class failson coming through or the grifter grindset mentality consuming them.
We used to lay on grass hills and stare at the clouds, now I die if I have to be alone with my thoughts for an hour
I'm pretty sure it's just because I blast my brains with instant gratification from my phone all day. I didn't have internet for a week and felt much better.
Isn't dysphoria body-based?
Body-based, but you don't necessarily recognize it as such. It's more a sense that something is off or wrong and you may not even be able to articulate it if you have any mental barriers preventing you from questioning things that you feel are tied up heavily within your own sense of self. Most people do.
For me at least, it was like a low-level depression that tinged everything, and I kept it drowned out by constantly keeping myself preoccupied with other things. I eventually hit a point where it was like an intrusive, self-destructive impulse. Any time that I was alone with my thoughts, I'd have no way of shutting it out, and controlling that impulse got very difficult.
I did this by accident when I was 15. 9 hour flight. Solo. Films didn't download on my phone. Very cheap airline.
I got thirsty, they said they only take cash. I didn't have any cash. So they said I can only have a cup of boiling water.
Fun times.
I got thirsty, they said they only take cash. I didn't have any cash. So they said I can only have a cup of boiling water.
I've taken a couple dogshit flights (redeye across the US in a tiny regional jet, in a little seat I didn't fit in, with no headrest on a budget airline) but zero water is way over the line. Even the aforementioned one, probably my worst, they gave me a tiny little cup of water once or twice
It was insane. I only got the boiling water because I demanded that it was my legal right. Total fuckers.
wtf did they also make you drink the boiling water by catching it in your open mouth as they tossed it in your face?
flying is fundamentally unpleasant, everyone's unhinged about and onboard an aircraft. we weren't meant to be on those devil machines, at least not in the concentrations and conditions that make them economical (and frankly i have a hard time imagining a private jet is much quieter).
...we weren't meant to be on those devil machines...
That's why flying is fun. When that first big bank after takeoff starts and you can hear the wings and airframe beating the fuck out of gravity while trying to rip the wingbox away from each other. That is the only truly great part of flying.
spit in gods eye all you like i'll enjoy pleasant wheel&track-based conveyance thank you very much
If god intended us to travel with wheels he'd give them to horses! Anything other than good old foot travel is laughing in his face!
I don't think (for most people) the noise is the bad part, but luxury planes absolutely have more sound insulation than airliners
But yeah flying is dogshit lol. Train wins any day of the week, unless mayyyybe if its multiple overnights in coach
when Ron DeSantis stared at the seatback in front of him for the entire duration of an 11(?) hour flight to "Israel", we all called him out as an inhuman monster with no internal monologue. now it's being normalized? like I understand if you want to dissociate but at least do it the old fashioned way with drugs and alcohol!
I have never cooked a dog on a plane. I don't think it's anything to be proud of. It really doesn't even come up.
I like it actually
Next time bring it anyways, become ungovernable! 
