His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will **believe a big lie **sooner than a little one; and **if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it. **
https://phdn.org/archives/www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/documents/osssection3pt1.htm
I never understood how normal, kind Germans in the 1920s could be so brainwashed that they'd turn into monsters just a few years later.
Now I've lived through it and seen the same transformation within my own family. It's incredibly sad.
"Nice people made the best Nazis. My mom grew up next to them. They got along, refused to make waves, looked the other way when things got ugly and focused on happier things than “politics.” They were lovely people who turned their heads as their neighbors were dragged away. You know who weren’t nice people? Resisters." - Naomi Shulman
It's very much like how people have created cults, slowly pushing the boundaries people will accept, while also claiming to be the authority of everything and accept no blame. And people crave a sense of belonging, and community. By the time people find out they are following a monster they are so far down the wrong path they feel trapped and it's the path of least resistance to just go with it. Also an example is made of anyone trying to rock the boat.
Was an episode of The Dollop (podcast) about a teacher that created a cult of his students to show them this exact scenario (how everyday Germans got behind Hitler). I'll look it up later if nobody beats me to it before then.
Edit - nevermind found it faster than I thought I would.
It's not just like how people created cults, it's the exact same recipe. They are cults. I have a friend who is obsessed with true crime podcasts about cults, like, listened to the final recordings of the Jonestown massacre where you can hear people dying from cyanide poisoning in the background obsessed, and he was recently telling me how both Trump and Hitler's speeches sound exactly like Jim Jones.
Can confirm. I'm currently listening to Transmissions From Jonestown and had this very same thought the other day. I haven't heard many Hitler speeches but the rambling cadence of Jones and Trump are eerily similar.
That was a good watch. Wasn't planning on taking nearly an hour and a half out of my day on a random video, but it was super interesting so I couldn't stop!
I also find the stories of people that have attempted to go undercover to document and eventually report out the inner works of a cult, only to be sucked in and disavow their prior life.
Your comment just reminded me of this episode of the YouTube series "A Very Special Episode".
45mins into this talk about a guy that was a private investigator that did cult information gathering. Very interesting, able to give real examples of stuff he had to do to stay undercover. It's pretty wild!
crave a sense of belonging, and community
this goes for brand fanbois too-- i'm in another thread full of people frothing at the mouth because i had the gall to point out how some report the company published didn't make them particularly special within the industry. it's sad seeing grown ass adults whiteknighting for a corporation, of all things
And i still don't understand it, even if I'm seeing it happen live with my own two eyes
There really is something wrong
I never believed Republicans could be this stupid. I mean... Following George W Bush, such an obvious moron... He at least had some charisma, some decency in him...
But Trump is a pure garbage human being. From inside and out, I couldn't point to a single admirable trait of the fucker.
And that is who these morons cheer for.
I'm not sure it's accurate to call it patriotism. It's fine to love your country.
This is nationalism, in other words "my country is better than yours", or "I'm better than you because I live in a better country than you do".
I don't really see the difference between what you call patriotism and nationalism. It's both identity politics in favour of the powerful. If I focus on "loving" my country, I might get distracted that both I as well as my siblings from other countries get exploited by the ruling class.
I thought I explained it already. You can love one thing without it automatically meaning you must hate something else.
One way to think about it is that it's similar to the difference between partisanship, a positive belief in the party you vote for that correlates with higher faith in democracy, and negative partisanship, a negative belief in parties that you vote against that correlates with dissatisfaction with democracy.
They're both "forms of partisanship," but they're distinct and different. The way patriotism and nationalism are being used in this thread share similar affective features.
Mocking others he disliked
This video exists And honestly that should have been the end of the campaign.
The only time Trump ever told the truth was when he said "I could shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose any supporters" all he would have to do is say they were a pedo Democrat and he'd gain support...
There's one in specific I think you know is being referred to. And not the one in the photo, one that is, unfortunately, alive today.
I actually thought of Musk first but Trump or Putin or any other dictator probably also fits. Generally most high level politicians are probably like this, but maybe to varying degrees of severity.
This is my answer to that question:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_(2022%E2%80%932024)
Putin really likes windows for his "suicides" apparently.
Also the wording of "special military operation" is the peak of pettiness.
You could certainly make that argument, even though this meme wasn't talking about Putin.
No, NPD is a social disability that causes great distress to the patient. Trump is not socially impaired and is not distressed by his ego, so it's not NPD.
Here's a decent litmus test for whether someone is disabled or an asshole: if you can feel sympathy for them, can see that the whole world is against them, if you feel sorry for them and want them to be helped, it might be a disability. If they're a famous politician and billionaire with millions of fans, they're not disabled, they're an asshole.
What kinda bullshit is this? "Only people i feel sympathy for can be disabled" is the dumbest take of the week.
People can be disabled and assholes at the same time. There are lots of mentally ill people that i dont feel sympathy for, because they are also horrible people. Hitler most certainly had some level of mental disorder and so does Musk.
You cant easily see from the outside if anyone is distressed or not so your entire line of thinking is flawed.
Musk's mental disorder is autism. And if someone were looking at this here meme and saying "Yeah, that's how all autists act", we'd call that person a bigot. Because they are.
The reason sympathy and mental disorder ought to be correlated, is because the DSM exists to identify patients in need of treatment. The purpose of a diagnosis is to help someone. To give them easier access to medical treatment. Therefore, saying Trump has NPD is helping him. You shouldn't do that, he's a nazi!
If you deny reality in order to further your political strategy, you are on the way to being a fascist yourself.
Reality was invented by fascist old men in Europe. Belief in reality is fundamentally fascist.
I think you are being too restrictive with the concept of "distress". The description in the image is about such distress.
Vulnerability in self-esteem makes individuals with narcissistic personality disorder very sensitive to criticism or defeat. Although they may not show it outwardly, such experiences may leave them feeling ashamed, humiliated, degraded, hollow, and empty. They may react with disdain, rage, or defiant counterattack. However, such experiences can also lead to social withdrawal or an appearance of humility that may mask and protect the grandiosity. Interpersonal relations are typically impaired because of problems related to self-preoccupation, entitlement, need for admiration, and relative disregard for the sensitivities of others. Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder can be competent and high functioning with professional and social success, while others can have various levels of functional impairment.
Extracted from the DSM-5-TR (2022); emphases are mine. Their distress revolves around self-esteem. As you can see, NPD can manifest in different ways too.
A person can suffer from NPD while, unrelated to it, they might hold questionable political views. Those two things are not mutually exclusive; if they were, all people with NPD would be irreproachable.
The sad part is that they are assholes, as you put it, but perhaps in some cases we failed them helping them not become who they became.
If you want to use Trump's private internal thoughts to make a diagnosis, that's the kind of intimacy you want an interview with the patient to be sure of. Of course, you want an interview with the patient for any kind of diagnosis, but it becomes even simpler when we're talking about analysing this level of detail in his internal psyche. Goldwater rule should apply double to this kind of "He acts proud but he's secretly ashamed."
That's true. Even with all the evidence now available, current experts cannot diagnose A. Hitler with 100% certainty. He seemed to have some issues that remind us of narcissistic personality disorder, bipolar disorder, and obsessive-compulsive disorder, among others. We can only speculate (as with D. Trump).
Hitler, Trump and many other influential people are obviously neurodivergent. This type of person often cannot access formal education in the way most people do and they end up as dilettantes. Self esteem is damaged by their inability to fit into society and oppositional defiance sets in. Self awareness is often poor or non existent.
Society cannot absolve itself from a duty of care for these people. Most of them end up sidelined, in prison, substance users or in the worst cases, in leadership roles that they are unqualified and unsuited for.
It need not be this way. We should be teaching our children that it's okay to be different and we love them anyway.
Don't blame horror on neurodivergence. We have no idea whether or not they were neurodivergent. People use that as an excuse for their horrible behavior all the time (like Elon Musk, who has also never been evaluated).
You can be a horribly immoral or amoral person and not be neurodivergent.
Society cannot absolve itself from a duty of care for these people
On paper, sure.
In practice, what is the solution for the failson of a billionaire? He's got better access to mental health care than any of us. He's surrounded by police. He's spent most of his life in the limelight, with a professional media class endlessly indulging his neurosis.
The hell are any of us supposed to do?
You seem to think everything I post is a personal attack against you. First you thought a post about Elon Musk was about you, now you think a post about Donald Trump is about you. I don't even know you.
I was going to, but I could decide on MLA or APA citation format, so I just dropped the whole thing.
1- Why did you post a historical/ journalist piece in the memes community?
2- What is your end goal posting this bit in the meme community?
3- So the first mistake is posting in the wrong sub, the second one is refusing to cite, passing it as a legitimate source for the young naive unsuspecting generation .. Even though i am no Sherlock, my confident bet is that your intentions aren’t good.. Whatever your replies may be, you already did and the damage is done , this is your contribution to the Lemmy community..
4- Taking account all of the above, even if your intentions aren’t malicious (which I doubt) , you have no actual excuses … except that you are lazy.
I completely agree with you. However, anyone can write anything and as long as it is what people want to hear it will be spoken of as truth. No source required. But if you write something that people do not want to hear, even with sources, many people will not listen and will attack you. Tis a crazy thing about us humans with our biases. Some studies in this human trait would be interesting and beneficial.
Well, u get my upvote because i like promoting intellectual individuals.. As a side note , as a person living in an actual third world country, i warn that perhaps a few first world countries have their status hanging by a thread, if it isn’t for a few intellectual and selfless persons carrying the burden of the rest.. #RIP #AndrewBreitbart
