https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html
Mr. Trump, in emphasizing gun issues and the Supreme Court during a speech, issued what some saw as a threat to Mrs. Clinton.
Old, but seems relevant
It is! Whipped it up for the Political Memes community... and then got banned from Political Memes for 'advocating violence'. Um... whoops.
Maybe it's temporary? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Charity... my choice would be any of those most at risk by a turn in the political environment. Planned Parenthood, any LGBTQ+ resource... if you get a kick out of that meme enough to merit a $20 donation, I have a sneaking suspicion that the venn diagram of your values and mine is pretty close to a clean circle, so if there's something specific you had in mind, you definitely don't need my permission (not that you ever needed my permission on how to spend your own money, but you get the gist!).
Edit - To be clear, posting that image in this thread is the 2nd time I posted it. The first posting was in Political Memes here. I realized in hindsight that that might make the post in this thread -not- OC. I created the image, but the one here isn't THE original.
Doesn't seem like it's advocating violence at all. It's making fun of someone that did advocate violence when it came after them.
I don't think the meme itself was the issue, but the discussion therein. Speculating on the motive, I mentioned the oath military and feds are required to take, and that it advocates violence... I probably shouldn't elaborate or I'll risk a ban here too...
Right, it's not a call to violence for the reader; it tells the reader that Trump was fishing for violent supporters. It's prime "Leopards ate my face" material.
Edit: This was supposed to be a reply to @BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place
I was hoping that the admins on Lemmy aren't the same type of shitheads like the bad ones from Reddit were, yet here we are.
It's weird that those were the posts they took issue with. I've been pretty vocal about not giving a damn about Nazi lives, former president Agent Orange included... but discussing federal oaths and their implications is what crossed the line?
I can understand the admins being on high alert after an assassination attempt on a presidential candidate though, so... whatever, I'll just eat the ban and shitpost in other communities instead.
World is the largest instance, so I understand them having an abundance of caution. Can always post on a smaller instance that doesn't give a shit.
Yeah, the oath calls to defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. Not really your fault if someone claims that advocates for violence because it's not you issuing a specific and legal order. Doesn't say anything about protecting the government I suppose.
just reading through this thread, guys you're onto something beautiful here. donations > tips. will give €20 to charity too for teaching me <3
Repeating his contention that Mrs. Clinton wanted to abolish the right to bear arms, Mr. Trump warned at a rally here that it would be “a horrible day” if Mrs. Clinton were elected and got to appoint a tiebreaking Supreme Court justice.
If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.
See also - that time Trump joked about Paul Pelosi getting bashed with a hammer
He's consistently in favor of his political opponents being threatened with violence, it's one of the few things he's been consistent about in his life
Did you just mock somebody/somegroup by appending part of the Fibonacci sequence 😅
I get the "!!1!eleven!!" thing (presumably the 23 bit is just mocking some ridiculousness or vapidity...?) but I find it very amusing to read your comment that way. Call it comic relief if you like 🤷
Yeah, it was not intentional, just a representation of the keyboard smashing that might go with that kind of comment, but I'll take the accidental Fibonacci lol 😂
“Look, you should just turn down the violent rhetoric!”
-people who’ve been espousing violent rhetoric since 2008
One side cares about civility and condemns advocating violence, so the other side exploits that every chance they get.
condemns advocating violence
Surely you're not talking about lemmy right? The past 5 days has been nothing but condoning and advocating for violence.
No, I'm talking about the official stance of Democrats, since they're the only viable side to oppose the GOP.
Maybe the first time we wished a Republican would have leaned just a little more to the right.
Maybe it's a good thing he did, who knows. Might have ended up worse in the timelines where he didn't.
How the world is a better place with Fuckface 45 in it...that concept makes no sense to me.
Their God king would be dead, and they'd fall to pieces. The only damned reason they seem to be empowered is because of this human pile of excrement.
You might be right, but it could also go another way. All I'm saying is we don't know for sure.
I remember after this all the Celebrities and Politicians talking AGAINST Donald Trump's VIOLENT RHETORIC!
JK I don't!
There was also that time he said McConnell had a "DEATH WISH" because he voted for some stuff trump didn't like.
We go high, they go low.
Today on Facebook, a big trumpist just admitted to me that he just wants to see his political opponents suffer (even die), and sent me a gore image.
I'm in a gun club and the WhatsApp chat had, surprise surprise, a rich, fashy vet immediately saying that the attempt meant that all supporters of the Democrats were now "enemy combatants" and should be treated like enemy combatants were back when "they" were deployed. Fucking psychotic, brownshirt ass. I know this makes me sound like him, but people like him have one solution and it's measured in six foot increments of rope.
Make sure he knows that the shooter was a registered Republican and member of a gun club.
I'm absolutely positive that he thinks this was actually a Democratic sympathizer. These people's brains are so full of conspiracy theories it's ridiculous. We're talking about the same people who think that there's a global movement to groom minors just because some people prefer bussy and would rather present in a different way than they would. These people are so far gone.
like him have one solution and it’s measured in six foot increments of rope
No need. There are perfectly fine criminal laws in place. If only they were executed equally, this problem would be a lot smaller in scope.
That's very true. The real solution here is implementing the rule of law instead of selective nonsense that protects right wing vigilantism.
Tell them you want exactly the same for Trump and watch them get triggered like the little snowflake they are.
I hate pacifists, man. They always try to publicly shame you by making it seem like violence is never justified... stupid deontological thinking
If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
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[A]s long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force
Karl Popper, 1945, The Open Society and Its Enemies
It's only free speech when we speak. When someone says something I don't like, that's not free speech.
It's only ok to incite violence when we do it.
This hypocrisy isn't a good look. Lemmy loves to point at Trump's hypocrisy (see OP) but are blind to their own. It makes your position appear weaker because you don't actually stand for anything (e.g. free speech as it exists in the US).
I've said it before but many here are more like conservatives than they realize. They also don't really stand for anything. For example, they pretend to love small government and then bend right over with pre-lubed assholes when DeSantis legislates lab meat out of existence in their state instead of letting tHe FRee MArKeT decide.
It’s only ok to incite violence when we do it.
Wasn't the guy who shot Trump a registered Republican?
Is it possible that he was incited to violence by... other Republicans?
"By the way, and if she gets to pick --if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know. But I'll tell you what, that will be a horrible day, if -- if -- Hillary gets to put her judges in."
-Donald Trump, Wilmington, N.C., Aug. 9, 2016
Since then we know Trump's suggested method of dealing with legally unchangeable judge positioning.
Yep. And confirmed conservative, if recent headlines are to be trusted.
We pretending like every thread on Lemmy wasn’t filled with “wish he had better aim” sentiment?
In most the posts I saw, the comments wishing he had been killed were downvoted.
So yeah, some people made those comments, but most people didn't agree with them
I don’t have time to go look right now but when I went through the threads that was very much not the case.
That hasn't been my experience in any thread that I've seen.
I decided to look for examples of threads and most had neutral comments and some comments agreeing with my memory events.
When both teams suck, all you can do is root for injuries. But no, "I wish you'd just die already" is not a call to violence.
I remember you from the other thread. You’re a fan of feigning ignorance if it helps your point.
Read this thread. The people encouraging violence are upvoted far more and those discouraging it are downvoted.
It’s not just that thread either.
To continue a theme from our previous thread - you mind if we quit playing stupid?
The people encouraging violence are upvoted
The top five root comments have no such thing.
And surely we can find old tweets condemning it from all the Trumpanzees screeching about "political hatred" today, right? Right?
Stochastic terrorism should be addressed when it occurs. The duopoly gave him a pass on it and he keeps using it.
This thread really shows the biggest crime Trump has committed so far: dividing the country.
For all the rethoric in this (and thousands of other threads) were people from both sides say the other side should die, everyone seems to forget that they're talking about their families, their friends, their neighbours. Anyone in doubt about how a civil war actually looks like should maybe ask Yugoslavia how well that worked out for them. Yeah i know, it no longer exists.
How many innocent civilians were murdered?
One should also think about what will happen to the US when other countries (hello China, hello Russia) will take advantage of the US being in a civil war. Land grabbing, US land grabbing and hell, WWIII aren't off the table.
To be clear, I'm veryuch against Trump, against the religious extremists and their takeover of the US government, but people on both sides need to calm down and look at their leaders. Right wing leadership is fucking evil and as far as I am concerned can all burn in a fire, but were talking about a fairly small group that pushes all this.
Stop fantasizing about murdering everyone following right wing media, most of them have been brainwashed, are dumb, or just plain angry and once all this is over, they'll still be your family, they'll still be your neighbor, they'll still be your friends, they'll still be there, and you can't murder them all, that is not how anything works.
Start working on bridging the gap, start working today on reaching out and pulling those angry fixkers back into the fold. Show them we're not the enemy.
Their leadership, again, is a different story.
"Don't Advocate for political violence here on Lemmy! It's OK to post about Donald Trump advocating for it though. "
