https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/15/politics/classified-documents-case-trump-dismissed-aileen-cannon/index.html
Judge Aileen Cannon has dismissed the classified documents case against Donald Trump.
Republicans: Make themselves above the Law while Endangering US National Security. Also Republicans: Why are people trying to Assassinate us?
It wouldn't shock me if SCOTUS calls take backsies if a Democrat ever gets back into office.
They already did! The 'presidential immunity' ruling they recently made basically said that if a President does it, we (SCOTUS) will decide if it is an official act, and if it is, then the Prez is blameless, but if we say the act isn't 'official' then WE will tell you the Prez is a baddie.
The senate literally did this with appointing a Supreme Court Justice during an election year. That's how Amy got put in place.
appointing a Supreme Court Justice during an election
year
FTFY. Voting had already started when they rammed the handmaid in there to replace Ginsburg.
Fascists rely on you being a decent person in indecent times. They're counting on Biden not using the full extent of the powers the office of the President has been granted because it's so far beyond the pale.
In the immunity case, when all the other judges were writing opinions about that case, Clarence Thomas wrote an opinion about a totally different case, this one. He was signaling her to dismiss the case.
I'm so sick of these corrupt motherfuckers
Quite honestly, something like this has been pretty obviously coming from the get go. Cannon has consistently made no effort to hide the fact that she's bought and paid for and was presiding over the case in bad faith.
What a nonsense decision, it should be appealed at the very least
Edit a lot has happened so let’s bring some context to this: Hilary Clinton was derided as unfit for presidency because she had a secure server in her private space for emails, some of which were classified.
Meanwhile, Trump literally had boxes of classified documents in a bathroom. Republicans are duplicitous, hypocritical and should not be expected to operate on good faith.
Or if they’re not, then they should show some objectivity and apply the same standards everywhere. What a bunch of clowns
Edit2 said a wrong word
some of which were classified.
But not properly marked as such per DOD regulations when sent to her.
It will be appealed... assuming Trump doesn't win and tear the justice department to shreds.
Are you fucking kidding? So special attorneys, which have been used by pretty much every administration and every congress since the position was created, are not valid now?
I'm not a law expert, but was the way she dismissed it make it so he can't be charged again in either another jurisdiction or by the appropriate (in her mind) prosecution team?
So special attorneys, which have been used by pretty much every administration and every congress since the position was created, are not valid now?
Yep. Good luck to the Trump administration trying to enforce anything between this an Chevron.
Yep. Good luck to the Trump administration trying to enforce anything between this an Chevron.
That presumes the law means anything to them.
As this ruling shows, law means nothing to the Republican party.
I am trying to keep "hopeful" that they'll stick to their Project 2025 plans in the sense that they'll try to do it through legal shenanigans and loopholes rather than just sending out the Gestapo and keeping everyone in their homes with machine guns.
We should all arm ourselves now. Every single bit of this is unprecedented, in the worst possible way. Better to be safe than staring down the barrel of a Luger.
Counterpoint: if you are staring down the barrel of a Luger, I would suggest NOT doing what they tell you to do.
The Nazis had a habit of forcing someone at gunpoint to do something worse than getting shot. Like telling you to bite the curb, or kill your friend, then they shoot you.
I am, just saying a Luger is a better outcome than slowing dying after your teeth have been shattered and your skull cracked
was the way she dismissed it make it so he can't be charged again in either another jurisdiction or by the appropriate (in her mind) prosecution team?
I don't think so, it would have said dismissed with prejudice if so.
Also not an expert, but I don't think so.
The big threat of that would be a dismissal after a jury was sworn. At that point, jeopardy attached, so rebringing the case could be unconditional under the double jeopardy clause [0].
The virtually unappealable way to do this would be to wait until the prosecution finishes their case. At that point, the defense will file a routine motion for a directed verdict that judges routinely deny. The defense gets to do that again after presenting their case. In either case, the judge granting the motion is not apealable.
The judge could wait until after a verdict and issue a judgement not withstanding verdict, but that is appealable.
[0] Not always though. A mistrial from a hung Jury can always be retired. Other forms of mistrial may be retryable depending on the facts.
Yup, Trump is getting free from his worst case on a novel technicality.
BuT tHe lAw pRoTecTs Us aLL eQuaLlY111
America is just shouting out of every place: "Down with democracy, down with the constitutional rule of law! Hail to a fascist state!" And still the biggest discussion is about some fumbling and age.
An authoritarian dictatorship is so clearly in your furure if you guys don't wake up and spend your energy fighting against THIS instead of one another.
The rest of the world is really relying on you not to fuck this up.
Please?
If just everybody would get up and vote!
I just saw a post about Trump gaining and now leading in every swingstate.
Its the same with the shift to the right in Europe. There are just too many people uninterested in politics or not voting because they don't like any of the candidates. These are the people who have to wake up and understand that democracy is at stake and that they are responsible for it, if they don't vote! The extremists will ALL be out there voting so we can't really allow ourselves to be indifferent.
Lets all just follow France as an example.
Some of us are doing shit, while some of our peers are still huffing farts about the DNC in 2016
The rest of the world is really relying on you not to fuck this up.
America: Hold my beer...
Hunter Biden was found guilty by a "special prosecutor" with the same bona fides Jack Smith had.
Judge Cannon just told us that Hunter's prosecution was unconstitutional.
No no no, you see, it's only when the special counsel is looking into a republican that it's unconstitutional.
Because the Nazis are trying to steal the country and there have been 0 consequences for Thomas while he's actively taking bribes and encouraging this bullshit.
Reminder: in the presidential immunity case, SCOTUS ruled that an "official act" is immune, and only SCOTUS can decide what an "official act" is.
Obviously, this fascist SCOTUS would rule that anything Trump does is official, and anything Biden does is unofficial.
But...if Biden were to take some sort of action that caused a new composition of the court...the new SCOTUS could then rule that action, and any other by Biden, as official.
I think it might be time for Biden to take action.
Yeah, but that would require real huge steel balls and the best the dems can do is a couple dried peas.
That Canon lady whom I'm not about to call a judge, and Harlan Crow's man friend said it's because Special Counsel Jack Smith was never confirmed as an attorney, where as all other historical Special Counsels were.
So they see him as an unconstitutional representative of the "Administrative State"... Because the rightwing in America are hard line constitutionalists (who still bend shit), they want to destroy the "administrative state" eg. Public Servants, eg. All the stuff that makes up a modern functioning nation.
It goes along with their "defund the government" and "defund the tax system" goals, and their goal to defund all revenue streams of the commons (via privatisation), and "getting rid of red tape" (eg. Public protections).
In the minds of conservatives there should be a basic criminal justice system, and nothing else. That's what they see as government.
Of course when they get into power it's all embezzlement and golden handshakes with corporate friends... So there's the facade they believe in and then what actually happens when they get into office, as there always is in politics.
...now with Project 2025, this pattern may never end.
Biden is a neoliberal. They are not exactly known for "taking action". When conservatives make things worse, nothing will fundamentally change under a neoliberal. It's almost like it's a neoloberal slogan or something.
Well wouldn't SCOTUS not accept the changes until they deem them valid? (which they won't)
There are certain actions Biden could take which would make them no longer be SCOTUS judges. They would be replaced by new judges friendly to Biden.
History repeating itself like a carbon copy.
It's not supposed to happen this fast. There are supposed to be centuries and several generations in between until humanity forgets the atrocities and repeats their mistakes. It's like, as soon as eyewitness' are getting scarce the world acts like it never happened.
This is probably the best answer. If he crosses Nov 5th with a win the Republic is fucked.
Rubicon is the river Ceaser crossed as the no return point before taking over Rome. COVID was not that point for America.
Source? Loss of faith in institutions. An election of incompetent candidates. People literally sacrificing themselves for political ideology. Toilet Paper hoarding shows the greed inherent in the system. Price gouging. Supply chains revealed the fragility of the capitalist economy. Inflation begins and indicates the new normal. The dissipation of pollution during COVID added solar radiation to latent heat increasing climate warming. 2020 was the Rubicon. Climate change will increasingly exacerbate the global economy leading to a destabilization of governments and civil unrest and wars. Am I missing something; was it when the Tampa Bay Lightning won the Stanley Cup?
If you're going to edit a comment after I replied to you, I'm not even going to bother entertaining reading your edit. Be a normal person.
To paraphrase margery tyrell, "He doesn't care about the consequences because he doesn't intend to suffer them."
Trump has fallen ass backwards into a perpetual get out of jail free card. Is it any wonder he acts with impunity when events time after time prove that he is effectively immune from all but the most trivial inconveniences?
I've never been more glad to be child free.
Thier kid won't even care who Trump was. Same as any kid in the 80's caring who Reagan was.
I'm an '80s kid and definitely care about Regan and his impact. He was president for a large chunk of my childhood. I remember some of the later times he was on the news. His impact has forever changed American politics.
We sat around, even when I was young, watching the news every night with my family whilst eating. I can tell you I remember some things from the end of his presidency. Right after it, when the Berlin came down, I remember watching the news about it as we were actually at my grandparent's house for dinner that night. On the other hand, I don't remember the challenger explosion even though I was in gradeschool at the time. Maybe I've just forgotten about it as an adult now in my 40s.
We also had mock elections in gradeschool with the actual presidential candidates. I did misunderstand it and my parents refused to believe, as I did, that I had actually voted and found it hilarious.
I was born in 81 and definitely knew who Reagan was growing up. I distinctly remember his TV address after challenger exploded.
I know a couple who's having a kid in 4 weeks. Lovely people, but by the gods the worst fucking time to be born. I feel bad for their kid.
The US are really speedrunning the whole "become a global laughing stock", huh? How ironic that the cause of banana republics would itself become one.
I wouldn't be laughing. Fascist states, after their internal purges, tend to need to expand. After these fuckers take over America, they'll come for the rest of the world.
Oh c'mon man how naive can you be? Between Biden fumbling through debates that should've been child's play and constantly forgetting names, and this guy getting martyred for not getting shot in the face, I'm sorry to say but this race won't even be close.
(And that VP pick? People who are going for the main attraction called Trump aren't going to give a rats ass about the VP pick.)
Unfortunately, i don’t think jail strips them of their titles or power. You would have to go further.
Have you seen political favor jail? Its a resort that lets you out on weekends for good behavior. If you think they would go to gitmo, then at that point they are dead anyway.
That's the point, why would he send them to a jail where they could possibly rule from?
In a ruling Monday, Cannon said the appointment of special counsel Jack Smith violated the Constitution.
“In the end, it seems the Executive’s growing comfort in appointing ‘regulatory’ special counsels in the more recent era has followed an ad hoc pattern with little judicial scrutiny,” Cannon wrote.
So she wants a judge to say an investigator can be appointed to gather information to take to a judge?
This is obviously just some Sneeches bullshit. You could just as well argue before it can be brought to a judge, an investigation needs to be done to gather evidence.
So I guess more like chicken and egg.
Honestly, I'm surprised she didn't just say it was legal because he was still the president since the election was a fraud and the president can do things like that.
Ah, the sweet sound of corruption. What a nice gift from someone appointed by Trump to a powerful and well-paid position. I can hear Anastacia singing on the judges' radio: "I paid my dues."
So do the robes have kneepads built in these days or do they have to get them altered special?
Why arent Americans on the street right now? Isnt this one of those situations of use it or lose it (in terms of rights)?
Mostly because I'm trying to survive and get to the next day. I do not have the financial or social safety net required to do so. Really it's the latter that is the problem. The Montgomery bus boycott lasted a year. It wasn't a quick one and done kind of thing. As a society we are much less socially connected than we were in the past and we don't really have other people to rely on.
I agree with what you are saying, by not marching in the streets I am part of the problem. I don't know man, shit is fucked. I'm doing what I can but it's not much.
I wouldn't be surprised if I end up like one of the White Rose. It hasn't even been a century since then, smh.
Fuck
Look i understand individual situations. But its hard for me to belive that between 300M Americans no one has a sunday off.
One day is still better than 0 days. What you are saying is: we tried nothing and nothing worked.
Right now they are thinking that people dont care. A massive protest would say to them that you are paying attention, and you dont like it. Also, would embolden the democrats into taking action.
Personally, I want everyone to get off their ass, pay attention, and vote in every election.
We should not be deciding who leads with a gun.
Americans have strong feelings about creeping fascism and like to bitch on social media but that’s about the extent of it. They’re too downtrodden and distracted to do much else. In France if they raise tuition 2% the whole country takes to the streets, riots ensue, cars are burnt. In the US, jaw dropping acts of fascism, cronyism, and corruption happen daily and beyond rage posting it’s mostly crickets. At least there is protesting at the RNC.
I only get two weeks paid leave a year. Can't afford to miss work because I need my house more. Live in a reddest of red states where my votes never mean anything. Legitimately I have never voted for anyone that has won.