every time
in which some nerd tries to call in a 4chan harassment raid
in which some nerd tries to call in a 4chan harassment raid
My twitter was banned years ago for calling for the immediately and summary execution of all marketers and advertisers by means of dragging them out in to the street and shooting them in the mouth.
But aside from that yes I support and uplift E-girl thought.
You know what's funny? I have a bunch of mutuals on twitter with onlyfans and I rarely if ever interact with that side of their content nor did I ever follow anyone for that reason, we just followed each other because we are cool communists and talk about cool communist stuff, so every now and then I get a post on my feed that's just "here's a picture of my ass" and I'm like cool but I wanna see more posts about mass transit and throwing billionaires into a volcano.
I have subscribed to the OF of some folks i followed on twitter, but most of them it was the same as you, they were just cool posters. The number of leftists out there doing some form of sex work is non-trivial, you're going to run in to a bunch of folks doing sw sooner or later.
is being an e-girl sex work? I feel like it's not, necessarily, but it is adjacent to being professionally naked on the internet, but I don't know what you'd call the overlap of those two fields. Something like attention work? idk.\
those "cultivate a parasocial relationship" jobs are cousin to sex work i suppose.
hyperfemme goth aesthetic with pastel tones. it leans young so there's an implication of pedophilia.
I generally ask this question as bait because it forces people to reckon with the inherent misogyny that exists within the phrase. I think they've been banned already though which kills my fun.
Nooo don't apologise. It's just interesting watching people squirm to describe it without saying they're fake gamer "th*ts" or something. My follow up question is usually about why they're E-girls and not E-women.
They're referring to "narcissist". Which should be banned as a pejorative because it's the name of a mental disability.
My understanding is that the "personality disorders" section of the DSM was unreliable/wildly subjective and existed for completeness only rather than as a really valid diagnosis? This is almost certainly true in how the labels get used and I think somewhat undermines that these are disorders in a medical sense and just kind of a catchall for people that society doesn't like (I am aware of the overlap)
I know one diagnosed narcissist who fits the whole stereotype up and down, and I know a lot of other people with diagnosed personality disorders who are not the monsters society accuses them of being. I also know a lot of selfish assholes who have not been diagnosed with any mental health condition. I think to a large degree people use medical language to describe people who have hurt them or behaved badly, or just behaved in a way they don't like, because it reduces that person to an irredeemable, absolute monster. You can write them off as something inhuman, like a vampire, and absolve yourself for failing to recognize them, or their abusive behavior, or acting on it, or whatever feeling of guilt or failure is gnawing at you. P*do gets thrown around very casually the same way - If you can get your audience to accept that your opponent deserves the epithet then you can do whatever you want to the opponent. They're an absolute monster at that point.
It's not good. Medicalizing your opponent in an argument or whatever doesn't generally serve your argument. Yeah, yeah, fallacies, whatever, fuck the debate club nerds, but in this case the ad-hominem attack is something to be concerned about. And when it become a widespread way of shutting down someone's argument or speech or whatever in a community it can be readily weaponized by bad actors to disrupt the community.
And when it gets used often enough, people really do think that us actual narcisstists are irredeemable monsters. That's why I've been told to my face that I don't deserve to live because of my disability.
It's often more subtle than that, though. Constant, constant microaggressions. The most common problem being that neurotypical empathy doesn't work on narcissists and NTs tend to take personal offence when they can't read our minds.
Yeah, the way narcissist gets thrown around it's usually medicalizing selfish behavior or speech, or at least behavior and speech that the poster believes to be unusually selfish. But it's a word that gets thrown around very casually without much consideration.
Apparently it's always been a psychology term in English. There were instances where comparisons to Narcissus were used to accuse someone of excessive self love, but "narcissist", "narcissistic", and "narcissism" are all medical terms. And, of course, once someone has labelled you a narcissist there is no possible defense, because any attempt to defend yourself is ascribed to narcissism.
I'm fine with it being banned. Being an asshole is not a psychological disorder and doesn't need to be assigned to an underlying psychiatric condition that essentializes the persona and positions them as incapable of self reflection or acting in good faith.
Also serves to poison the well in cases where acting out of self-interest might genuinely be called for.
The person who's definitely not the aggrieved narcissist from the other thread sure has a lot to say about me gently ribbing them
yep, I'm very protective of new users who ask for accommodation. I'm not ashamed of that.
Me when I pretend the person saying the word "narcissist" is okay to use thinks we should use the N word
(I am screenshotting a sentence where they say the opposite)
Let's make it boneheaded so you can't miss it:
Saying "narcissist" is a slur is like saying "cracker" is a slur.
It's funny that they should run crying to 4chan (is 4chan even still a thing?) considering this nerd seems like someone they would just bully instead.
If you're comparing two words, and you cannot even say one of those words out loud, that one is the worse word.
yeah idk the user the i assume now-banned guy was complaining about was saying stuff about it being ableism and a slur. i don't really buy the arguments, but after seeing this magicker catto get so fucking mad about it i think we should put in in the slur filter to piss off chuds.
the i assume now-banned
No, it's not banned, it came across as a troll at first but it appears to be a genuine user. The mods said
In addition, we would like to reiterate that Hexbear is a space for all our comrades, even if you may not understand their experience, please refrain from labeling a fellow user a wrecker or troll. Using conditions as a pejorative is not allowed, please engage in good-faith and remember the human!
I'm not sure where the line is with "narcissistic" tho.
i meant i assumed the dork in the screenshot is gone, not it,
and i stand by what i said in the other thread about plain narcissism not being the same as NPD in a way analogous to anxiety not implying an anxiety disorder before it made some unreasonable comparisons and I said ppb.
I think using a term like "self-absorbed" or "egotistical" or even "main character syndrome" could work well to separate someone being self-obsessed from someone with actual NPD.
I think it was the same person who ranted in a comment about how all human beings are evil because they don't respect his status as an "otherkin" and are species-supremist and are willing to eat him because he's "not human". I think there was much more going on psychologically than their (claimed) NPD, I think.
That said, taking into consideration the effects of the words we use isn't a bad thing regardless, so it's not like entertaining the concept of banning the word was a negative.
If they're both equally bad, then why isn't there a chain of restaurants called "N- Barrel"?
I don't like leftypol. It's name alone is suspect and I've seen a shit ton of racism and ableism from them. I stopped being a reactionary years ago so I wouldn't see that anymore.
It comes from fucking /pol/ of all places, which has been the ruptured leaking septic tank of nazi shit on the internet for decades.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
I reported them for being reactionary and transphobic in some posts that are now removed and this is the result. Never let it be said that leftypol is friendly to fascists.
CW for transphobic rhetoric in pic (and a commonly-used imageboard insult which is also a slur in the mod message, that I have censored)
They're from the /isg/ thread on /leftypol/. They were posting about the narcissism discourse there yesterday.
Yes exactly, but to be fair they're all getting quite embarrassed by this person now and asking them to stop.
They're too cringe even for the /isg/ uighers.
Can I get a translation of this? It sounds like you're using "Uyghur" as a pejorative.
No not really. This site has a lot of crossover with leftypol for obvious reasons. None of this was supposed to be a secret.
None of this was supposed to be a secret
doesn't mention the board name until they're rumbled
heh
As someone who complains about this site's radlibs, I completely disavow the views in the OP
funny
Enraged reactionaries stop believing that saying "it's funny that/I like it that" actually hides the reactionary rage challenge. Difficulty level:
narcissistic
Sometimes reactionaries use that word in internet discourse, and when they do, it comes from a very special blend of ideology that claims that caring about other people is always a deceitful self interested move. It's Ayn Rand shit.
If someone calls another entire group of people narcissistic, it's just projection. They're probably just really narcissistic or egotistical themselves.
It's a very common chud thing to accuse people that seem to "care too much" of being narcissistic.
Chuds also love accusing trans people and neurodivergent people of being narcissistic because they think it's all for attention.
They hate the idea of people expressing themselves and being happy about it outside of their own mediocre Epic G!mer white boy accomplishments.
Tbf this is actually a good example to point to of how consensus is reached on Hexbear, for all the people who think we're bots or paid shills. And anyway, even when a consensus is reached, it won't stop you from using the term in real life if the mods decide to add it to the filter. I don't really have a problem with it, tbh.
Yeah I feel the way we arrive at a consensus is by debating it back and forth raising good points until suddenly some chud has an absolute meltdown and the whatever take caused them to have that meltdown is what we end up agreeing on as the objectively correct take.
And I fully agree with that process, at this point I'd be down to ban it as an insult even if for no other reason than to make chuds mad.
I got flipped from it, or at least flipped to believing it's a term that has no both useful and necessary usage so I'm down to kill it. There's other words that have no possible medical overlap like "self-absorbed" or "egotistic" or even some fun ones like "you're gonna hurt your neck sucking your own test like that, partner" for assholes if you're southern (I made that one up)
Hillary Clinton with a backwards baseball cap doing skateboard tricks level of Rad Lib.
I will say there are definitely individuals in this instance that fit other people's reaction to you folks, but some of you are pretty considerate and kind. I've had some genuinely great conversations with some of you. Now banning Narcissist sounds too ridiculous to be true. I'm going to say a bunch of n- words now. Nimbly-bimbly, nice, November, gnat, newtype, never, nuclear, knife, next, Nigeria
I'm the person that said something was narcissistic, a single user raised the issue as potentially ableist and we then discussed whether it was or not. I don't see what the issue is here, this person is blowing it completely out of proportion. Having these discussions is fine and good. There is an argument that in some contexts it can be ableist, and there are other contexts where it is not. If the word were used more consistently in the negative framing I would have sided against it as well. It's quite possible that it might be at some time in the future.
The key here being "consistent" which is why I included that word. I'm not arguing that it's not used negatively, as an insult, and that those uses aren't ableist when it happens. But that legitimate usage of the word also exists, particularly when people are performing actions that would in fact meet the medical definition if they do them frequently.
I do genuinely understand where you're coming from though and don't really dismiss the points you're making entirely. I agree with some of them and intend to be more careful about my use in future. I just wouldn't support a blanket approach to it. It's a case by case thing. I certainly don't support referring to narcissism as "the nword", not merely because it's silly but also because it comes off as an attempt to completely undermine the slur already referred to as that, if that's not your intent I strongly urge you to think about that issue.
I'm going to push back and say this argument fits any medical situation, including autism and such. If someone is doing something characteristic of people with Asperger's (who do it more often) and you call them autistic, that is using it in the negative way. I don't see many real difference here unless we are going to get into arguments of 'good and bad behavior" or (and I think this one is the difference in most peoples' minds) the legitimacy of a spectrum such as NPD. I realized that is where I was going wrong, personally
yeah this was what changed my mind as well. I think there are better ways to describe the phenomena than to medicalize or pathologize. I've also seen someone take it much too far and pathologize literally everyone (because obviously everyone exhibits some of these patterns of behavior at various points in time without it rising to the level of a problem that negatively impacts their lives).
I don't see many real difference here unless we are going to get into arguments of 'good and bad behavior" or (and I think this one is the difference in most peoples' minds) the legitimacy of a spectrum such as NPD. I realized that is where I was going wrong, personally
It does but someone raised a point about anxiety in yesterday's discussion that stuck with me, pointing out that anxiety disorder is also a medical condition and yet we use feeling anxious as a descriptor of something without necessarily meeting the requirements for anxiety disorder. This is how narcissistic was used by me also, to describe an action that would be absolutely 100% narcissistic in its nature as opposed to making a statement about a person being a narcissist.
Well calling someone anxious isn't really a derogatory thing is it? It's describing an emotion that isn't seen as negative. Meanwhile, I've never seen anyone call someone self-absorbed without it being intended to critique/speak negatively about that action. It's why I specifically chose autism as my example, because there are a lot of issues of people out there using it pejoratively just as narcissism is used.
Yeah, so it's like the R word before the name was changed, or calling someone autistic or gay as an insult
It could reach that point eventually yes. I don't see it often enough to feel it is though.
Please see and consider the edit I made about calling it the "nword" though. I have very serious hangups about that.
Okay, I'm going to do that thing I mentioned about showing negative examples.
This thread is the top google result for "Do narcissists deserve to die?"
https://www.quora.com/Do-you-think-narcissists-deserve-to-die-alone
Yes they do. I don't care I would literally piss on their grave and I hope the death they suffer is fucking excruciating so they can feel the sort of pain they put others through. I've dealt with narcissistics my whole life and aside from pedophiles, my hatred for narcissists will never subside. Bloodsucking selfish pieces of dogshit they deserve the absolute worst
No. Narcissists deserve to die while dozens of people are in the same place and act as if they aren't aware of him/her dying there in front.
Karma comes for each of us in its time. Just live your best life. Narcs died in their toddler years when they abandoned themselves in favor of wearing a false mask that they spend their entire lives propping up. Hell awaits them if they do not repent.
They died from the time they became a narcissist: a fake life, a stupid ego, incapable to love, lieying, cheating, being their own enemy, incapable of reponsabilities, living on others emotions and economy, not honest with themselves and others, don´t you believe they are living deads?
Yes, narcissists deserve to die alone in most cases. We all have the potential to become narcissists and that is not an excuse for them to not take responsibility for their actions. Narcissism is a very serious condition which affects many people and can be incredibly detrimental in both personal and professional relationships.
For the way they treat people yes, having just escaped from a horrific narcissistic relationship where i was treated like nothing more than something on the sole of the shoe the abuser trod on, they have no empathy for anyone other than themselves, they don’t care about anyone’s needs/requirements and think they can just float through life doing and saying what they wish. so yes, a narc DOES deserve to die a lonely life.
Yes. I have a narcissistic grandma and she's ruined my life. I hate her so much to the point I wish her death everyday
Yes…I believe they do because their not people…everyone is different but if your a narrcissist then you have no emotions because you don't care about anything or anyone you believe to be better than everyone because you think to be a self-preclamed God.
There's more of this. It turns out when you tell a bunch of people that the abuse they suffered is the doing of an evil minority, you can provoke truly profound feelings of hate. That's the same strategy Hitler used to gain power
there was someone in the other thread comparing narcissists to serial killers. When i took an intro to psychology class people were literally arguing that people with cluster b personality disorders should be sterilized. its bad y'all. especially since there's a link between these disorders and childhood trauma.
You can consider it ridiculous, but we're generally on the cautious side for this sort of stuff. A comrade explained patiently about its experience with NPD and about the personal feelings towards the word's overuse and convinced a lot of us that it's worth actively not using. Similar to "ps*cho", people are trying to say something that's easily described in other words without medicalizing others to create overlaps with people who are seeking to improve their lives through understanding themselves and building understanding with those around em.
Be respectful, I thought it was a troll for like 3 posts but I'm convinced I was the asshole for that assumption
Edited for pronouns after seeing the post below
I agree, and I think even moreso something that we do and should be proud of is this: we will try to understand the maximum argument you should be making for yourself before judging whether you are right or wrong.
I disagree heavily with the comparisons that user was making to the racist N-word, because I don't think the content of the usage is at all comparable really. One is a slur when used against someone of a race and the other is a word that shouldn't be used without specificity because it lumps people together that have nothing to do with one another. Someone with NPD might correctly be called a narcissist as a medical term (though I'd guess it's best to say "a person with NPD"). Nobody is correctly identified as the N-word (exception of self-identification for recapturing the term).
The arguments werent too strong honestly, but I think we can try to see the point anyways and imagine what would've been a better one ad compare that to our own rationale and adjust. So I pushed a bit more and read the other posts and managed to get some better understanding.
I didn't become a commie because any real-life MLs convinced me through arguments, but because I forced myself through rethinking my positions after encountering real life situation and people with bad arguments but great points.
I appreciate that we're able to have discussions like that on hexbear. Self crit is important, and there are words that are used more broadly in society, or overused as the case may be, that shouldnt be used in interesectional spaces or in the better world we're trying to create. Self crit is necessary to avoid reactionary thinking.
What about pedophilia
This isn't supposed to be a gotcha or anything, just wanted to mention it. "Pedophile" is almost exclusively used as a derogatory term, but it could and likely does apply to people who experience attraction to minors against their own will and never act on it.