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[from !esp@lemm.ee] Spain - Adults who want to enter porn websites must have a 'digital card' with 30 accesses valid for 30 days

Los adultos que quieran entrar en webs porno deber�n tener un 'carnet digital' de 30 accesos v�lido durante 30 d�as

https://www.elmundo.es/espana/2024/07/01/6682a6e7fc6c8382428b45a2.html

El Gobierno ha presentado este lunes su sistema de verificaci�n de la mayor�a de edad en el acceso a contenidos para adultos en internet. La herramienta finalmente escogida,...

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Additional link:https://elpais.com/tecnologia/2024-07-01/el-gobierno-presenta-el-diseno-su-app-antiporno-que-obligara-a-los-adultos-a-tramitar-acreditaciones-que-caducan-al-mes.html

17 comments

hsr

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"When we evaluate how minors interact with the internet, for 90% of them it is their first way of getting to know about sexuality. From there, 50% of them recognise that they generate imitation and even with approaches that have domination as a central element. There is an enormous distortion in the way they are going to develop their sexuality", she stressed. [via DeepL, emphasis mine]

Hmmmmm, if only there was a way to educate minors about sexuality before they ultimately turn to internet because adults just ignore the problem.

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Incibe is also collaborating, which is checking that browsers "control access based on URLs" to prevent access to minors. Cabanillas said that "a black list" of browsers that do not do so will be created.

It's a miracle politicians aren't targeted by scammers more frequently, given they have no idea how internet works.

federalreverse

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Hmmmmm, if only there was a way to educate minors about sexuality before they ultimately turn to internet because adults just ignore the problem.

Lots of children have access to the internet at a very young age. I guess what you're suggesting is sex education for 7-year-olds who might accidentally watch a video on the school yard, etc.? In fact, even 3-year-olds often use their parents' tablet to watch P*w P*trol and may wander off with it.

hsr

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Whether a 7-year-old sees adult content accidentally, intentionally, because of peer pressure or any other reason, I still think age appropriate sex ed would be helpful. I acknowledge that minors do view inappropriate content and that it is generally unhealthy, but since it can happen, and does happen, a good approach would be to educate them preemptively.

For example, these guildelines for sex ed in EU, which caused some outrage in conservative circles a few years back, suggest that "sex in media and dealing with it" is a topic for 6 to 9-year-olds.

Of course you can't cover every outlier, but can you really stop 5th graders from sending weird shit to their friends because they're trying to be edgy?

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Another way to think about it:

Was the content accessed accidentally? If so, I would argue this law misses the point and better moderation would be more effective and also less, y'know, surveillance state adjacent
Was the content accessed intentionally? In this case, sex ed would probably help

rumschlumpel

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It's pretty easy to install device-based "parental control"-types of software that can't be circumvented by a 3yo. That is definitely the parents' job.

DrFuggles

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uh yes, in fact, I think that would be very healthy. Not in a horrific South Park way, but in a "sometimes adults get naked because they like each other. And sometimes they film it. If someone shows you a video if that, it's okay to not want to watch it. It's okay to walk away. I someone pressures you to watch it, it's okay to tell an adult" way.

EherNicht

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There is this browser using the Onion Network.

Sagan

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Indeed, and other several ways to avoid the measure. I'm not even sure how they are technically going to try to implement this, but except banning VPNs, good luck.

passepartout

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Guess I'll just not be able to work without vpn lol.

passepartout

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The Onion network is too slow for porn. You'd also take away bandwidth from other people who arguably benefit more from it.

EherNicht

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Without experience myself, I‘ve heard that some onion routes are fast enough. Some are not.

kbal

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No need to resort to using tor. I'm sure there will be plenty of clearnet websites around the world that provide what people are looking for without much caring about what the government of Spain has to say about things. Increasingly many, I expect, as it becomes impossible to comply with every one of these ridiculous laws around the world.

ICastFist

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Podrán usar tres veces la misma credencial dentro de la misma plataforma. | They may use the same credentials 3 times within the same platform

Uh, is that supposed to be 3 times per month? Like, you can only visit sadpanda 3 times a month or something?

También se contempla una modificación de la Ley General de Telecomunicaciones para que la Comisión Nacional del Mercado de la Competencia (CNMC) pueda bloquear de aquellas plataformas o páginas con contenidos pornográficos si no incorporan mecanismos de verificación de la edad efectivos. Para tal fin, el Gobierno está en conversaciones con proveedores de internet como Movistar o Vodafone con el fin de que permitan bloquear estas páginas. | It's also being contemplated a modification to the General Telecommunications Law so that the National Market Competency Comission may block those platforms or pages with pornographic contents if they don't incorporate effective age verification mechanisms. For this, the Government is in talks with internet providers such as Movistar and Vodafone, so they may block these pages

Good luck blocking whatever "kids" with intent end up finding on a DDG with Safesearch: Off.

For now, it only applies for sites hosted in Spain, but they want to have it apply to anything based off Ireland (IT tax haven)

La herramienta se ha incorporado dentro de "la cartera digital española" (...) incluye una credencial que "es anónima" y "respeta el principio de protección de datos de minimización de la información intercambiada". | The tool has been incorporated inside the "digital spanish identity card" (...) it includes a credential that "is anonymous" and "respects the principles of data protection of minimization of interchanged information"

Oh nice, just what people need/want, the fucking government spying on your porn searches.

Regarding the 30 accesses/tokens pack, it's supposed to be something you can just input on a porn site and access it without being asked for an age verification. And yeah, you only get to use/access one site 3 times per pack, no reason was given.

It's good that the article also has a talk with a cybersecurity guy, who plainly points out that the govt isn't trustworthy for keeping the data secret/anonymous, and that the whole idea "is horrible [and what you expect] from the worst dictatorships"

Para entender el enorme riesgo tan solo basta con imaginar por un momento una filtración de datos de los solicitantes del carnet, o una futura instrumentalización política del sistema con el fin de restringir el acceso a la información del color que no guste al gobierno de turno | To understand the huge risk, just imagine for a moment a filtering of the data of the people who ask for the card, or a future political handling of the system with the intent of restricting access to the information that the government at the time dislikes

venoft

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I don't use this term often, but which smoothbrain thought of this? 30 tokens per month (so, 30 individual visits per month, never mind if you can't find what you're looking for on that particular site or just plain want to see it more often), and then only 3 visits per site. I'm sorry, what? Did someone in that panel own a bunch of unknown porn sites or something?

calcopiritus

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They don't want to block site from Spain+ireland. They want to block sites from Spain. Later on they also want social media to also enforce this ban.

Ireland is only mentioned because it's the preferred tax haven for tech companies in Europe. They're not targeting Ireland in particular.

TheGrandNagus

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Lmao

kbal

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El Mundo according to google translate:

The problem is that the Agency only has powers for companies and internet providers with their main establishment in Spain and that is why it seeks to extend its project worldwide.

For this reason, in addition to explaining it in the US and before the EC, it has been presented to the Plenary of the European Data Protection Committee, where work is being done under age verification criteria and it is expected that some criteria will be approved before the summer based on the Spanish proposal.

makeasnek

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An infringement on the right to privacy, a government being invasive where it has no business being.