In the NYT article (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/30/us/politics/biden-debate-anxious-democrats.html) they include this gem:
One of the strongest voices imploring Mr. Biden to resist pressure to drop out was his son Hunter Biden, whom the president has long leaned on for advice, said one of the people informed about the discussions, who, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity to share internal deliberations. Hunter Biden wants Americans to see the version of his father that he knows — scrappy and in command of the facts — rather than the stumbling, aging president Americans saw on Thursday night.
lmao this campaign is just handing ammo to republicans by invoking Hunter
I mean it's pretty clear that at least some of his staff orchestrated this failure to create a window of opportunity to replace him. If he's going to hang on until death claims him, then yeah he needs to purge some folks
which would be pretty funny, the last people in the administration with even a glancing familiarity with reality forced out so the lich king can cling to power with his bony fingers all the way to the gates of hell
I think this is probably true. It is a very common tactic in dysfunctional organizations (that I've even employed myself a few times). When someone is being incredibly obstinate and heading down a path you know leads to disaster, sometimes all you can do is switch to a cheerleader encouraging them to rush headlong off the nearest cliff. Then nobody can ignore the crash and there is the opportunity to build something better from the wreckage.
Nobody could have thought Biden would do well at 9 PM, agreeing to that time slot is prima facie evidence of sabotage
and for the record, since we've apparently got some semi-literates hanging around today, sabotaging Biden is probably the only cool/good thing the responsible staffers have ever done in their lives
The thing is debates are always at 9 eastern, because that's 6 on the west coast, and allows people to get home and turn it on after work. You can't do it any earlier unless it's on a Saturday, and then in the fall you're competing against college football
Edit: the move here is to do it on west coast time and do a weeklong tour of mountain states to try to get his sleep schedule shifted earlier
You know, like a toddler
I mean it's pretty clear that at least some of his staff orchestrated this failure to create a window of opportunity to replace him.
I am very weary of giving credit to people who are consistently wrong about everything and always showing signs of incompetence.
It doesn't have to be the result of a scheme, rather the simplest explanation is they really believed their own BS and those people standing up now are just opportunists that never liked Biden in the first place.
There is also maybe just the fact they're just too embarrassed now, you can't complain about all the silly Trump antics, covfefe or sex with porn actors and then having their own grandpa Joe almost shitting his pants on live TV.
Things like stutter or missing a step can be excused, but over 1h of live TV embarrassment?
the last people in the administration with even a glancing familiarity with reality forced out so the lich king can cling to power with his bony fingers all the way to the gates of hell
Yea okay wow, you are definitely blue maga
yeah sounds like they're really ride or die with Biden
I think you're being a little knee jerk here, reread the comment, supafuzz definitely isn't a Biden supporter. You're in a Hexbear comm, nobody here is pro Biden or pro Trump.
You know, I'm here for people who self censor on occasion, even if the person themselves is insufferable. I think it's an incredibly harmless thing to do, and sometimes it just reads better.
Totally fair, and i agree. In this case it smacks of false piety as the poster is quoting a song lyric, presumably as an insult since Leery's politics are about as far from Maoist Standard English as you can get.
Alright Dennis, you can say you're an asshole here among us hexagonal bears.
We won't bite
I don't think they're being pro-liberal; it comes across less as 'Biden is fine' and more 'Democrats are trying to force out their terrible candidate without being overt about it'
lmao I think you just challenged supafuzz to a fight.
they're saying a faction with the Ds wanted Biden out before the debate, there's a power struggle between that faction and Biden's, and that the faction that wanted him out has a better grip on reality. damning with faint praise isn't endorsement.
Dude is going to get pushed down the stairs by one of his handlers and I'm totally here for the chaos and high jinks that will ensue
What part of "He's too old and with signs of dementia" they don't understand?
He should just retire and enjoy the few years he's got left 🙄
Elder abuse.
If anyone deserves it, it's him. please don't make us suffer in the process though.
Project Ukraine is far too important for the Democratic donor class and those who have recently been calling for it to be ramped down had to be purged.
The Ukraine war will continue regardless, when Trump says he wants EU to pay more for NATO he is just saying the quiet part out loud. The EU already is like 2/3s of Ukraine's funding and they are completely just funneling money to the US MIC anyway. Beligium F-16s comes at the cost of giving them F-35s.
If somehow Trump does retreat from Ukraine and the EU accepts it they'll move on to China anyway, replace the EU with Korea/Japan/Taiwan money.
The deep(er) state/long term historical Nazi project in Ukraine will remain for generations to come, the only way to end it is if Russia captures and revolutionizes the entire country, the chances of that are minimal. Ukrainian nazis will remain between two walls: Poland/Eastern European hate towards slavs and their own self hatred towards Eastern Ukrainians and Russia.
They should do it. Fire the staff and burn those bridges, cut them loose, maybe tell the press thr mismanaged the campaign. Heck, run the campaign themselves. What could go wrong?
The imperial and consort clan of the Great Khan urges the Great Khan to purge his topmost eunuchs officials in hopes of further consolidating political power within the imperial bureaucracy of the Western Horde.
Only tangentially related but one of the lines I'm seeing trotted out is that it's too late to replace him because the new candidate would have to start from zero, like it's 1910 and we haven't invented radio yet lol
Other reporting held that Hunter was one of Biden's strongest supporters to stay in the campaign.
Other reporting held that Hunter was one of Biden's strongest supporters to stay in the campaign.
Joe has to pardon Hunter and make him his top adviser. President Hunter Biden might do some drug reform, transportation improvements and finally legalize listening to the Fleet Foxes while smoking crack.
I was following the
I was following the campaign, all swaddled in their jets
With hats of red placed 'round their heads
https://hexbear.net/comment/5072261
The lib from this thread that got banned is not over it
i didn't watch the debate, and i won't watch the debate. i know biden's a walking corpse. but i would literally vote for a dead chimpanzee's excised brain tumor before trump. no single "debate" performance will change that
edit: it's amazing to me, how so many people think they're accomplishing a single goddamn thing by not voting LOL this is exactly the "thoughts and prayers" the GOP throws out at every school shooting: useless
enjoy your dictatorship comrades!
incidentally, how do i block an entire instance?
If a dead chimpanzee's excised brain tumor qualifies for President then maybe this shit hole country shouldn't exist.
the usa government will never stop sucking israel's cock.
Homophobic and antisemitic. Classic
Doubling down on homophobia and actual antisemitism. Classic
Isreal is an appendage of US hegemony and its foreign policy. The US is in charge not the other way around. The claim that Isreal calls the shots (or gets her dick sucked) to the US is an antisemitic trope that goes back to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Don't do it.
Libs love saying blank sucks blanks cock. It is meant in a perjorotive way. It means it is degrading and bad to be the one sucking cock. Because liberals live within an ideology that is both patriarchal and heteronormative we know what you mean when you say that. We don't tolerate it, no matter how cute your bullshit rationalization is when you try to double down on it.
If you don't mean to be homophobic or antisemitic GOOD! Just accept that those statements are, and don't make them again and you'll be better for it. Living in ideology creates blind spots whatever your intentions, this is a chance to learn. Or you could be a real and double down again and pretend I'm a child that doesn't know what they're talking about
sucking cock doesn't mean you're gay, unless you think america (and israel) is definitively MALE, and saying israel gets her dick sucked does NOT = antisemitism
Tagline now
I don't care what the context is but saying "I'm not homophobic, the US is sucking Israel's feminine penis and Israel getting her girlcock sucked isn't antisemitic" is a wild thing to say and you should log off in shame for this monstrous birth of an image.
Agreed. That is a sentence someone thought of with a brain and typed with fingers and I'm pretty certain you'd never find anything like it anywhere else.
You really are a stupid one lmao
Uses 'sucking dick' as a pejorative
Doesn't understand why that would be considered homophobic
Doesn't understand why that would be considered homophobic
Oh they understand. They're just a so they think its okay
Wtf are you babbling about you dipshit genocide lover? "uNlesS yOu tHinK iS dEfINiTiVeLY mALe" you know perfectly well your usage was homophobic, otherwise you wouldn't have used the insult in the first place you dumb fuck
Also goes without saying for anyone who's not a .zip cockroach; the US runs the show in Israel, not the other way around, try to catch up chud
nice try though. i have to say this sub is full of passionate people, even though mostly children
Also goes without saying for anyone who's not a .zip cockroach;
Not familiar with .zip until this asshole. What's up with that instance?
Most stunning reversal yet seen on lemmy
Lib uses a homophobic trope antisemitically, and then tries to WELL ACKSHUALLY abouthow it was... trans inclusive?
You should not be posting through this, my comrade
honestly how am i supposed to talk to any liberal ever again when i know that they think shit like this
top priority is get republicans (fascists) out of power at the federal and local level. until that happens, there will be no discussion, no debate, and if they win this year, no VOTING at all. you think the genocide is bad with biden? LOL just google some of the things trump has said about how to deal with pro-palestine protesters
There's nothing more Biden could've done to help Israel kill Palestinians than what he's done in the past 8 months. There is physically no way that the genocide is gonna "get worse under Trump." We're already giving bombs and money to Israel faster that they can use them, and there is no act of depravity that will turn either the Democratic or Republican parties away from unrelenting support of the genocide.
You want to come up with a line of reasoning that absolves you for cheerleading for genocide, but history will show that every American that voted for either one of these geriatric demons was more interested in maintaining their treats than applying pressure to their political establishment to end the genocide. You're no better than a German cheering on the Freikorps, and asking the ghosts of the dead communists to voot against Hitler.
Ah yes, I forgot the solution to ending an ongoing genocide is to vote for the president carrying it out
I'm simply pointing out the idiocy in you literally doing the '99% hitler v 100% hitler argument'
By all means, get all self righteous and sanctimonious about people not voting for a guy who enacted a border shutdown bill, who has literally circumvented Congress to run guns to Israel, and countless other atrocities
Let me know where that 'lesser evilism' gets you; you'll be back here in four years again. Every four years.
vote on your "principles" comrade (aka sit on your ass and don't vote for shit)
lmao
I donate to groups abroad to help negate the damage your guy does while in office, and I volunteer my time to help as well. But you're really telling on yourself here by thinking 'voting' is the only thing that makes a difference here. Why are you even here and not on Reddit in your insular, liberal echo chamber? You clearly are only after that.
since israel is the potus's (whoever that may be) puppet, and not the other way around
Are you still out here claiming that Isreal controls the US?
That'd be tight. Then I wouldn't have to hear about American election every 2 years because your cycles last so.fucking long they neve seem to end and the result would be the same anyway
Listen here Jack, if I'm going to support a one-party state it's not going to be one made up of a bunch of corporate liberals.
if they win this year, no VOTING at all.
If you believe this, then why is Trump allowed to run at all?!?! Why aren't there calls to outlaw the republican party?
How do you get republicans (fascists) out of power at the federal level when Democrats at the federal level are friends with many republicans (fascists), covet republican (fascist) votes, and openly advocates having a strong republican (fascist) party? You're saying we should get rid of fascists by voting for the people who help fascism?
You're saying we should get rid of fascists by voting for the people who help fascism?
Nothing could possibly go wrong doing that. No historical precedent for that being a bad idea
You're right. We need to get rid of fascists who commit genocide, sign the most draconian anti immigration bill in decades, crack down violently on students, repeal abortion protection, extend mass surveillance, fuel racist retoric, commit genocide, criminalize homelessness, allow destruction of the environment, profit of horrible wars, commit genocide, create a permanent underclass, use slave labor, commit genocide and commit genocide.
What a tepid turd of a defense for supporting genocide. Voting for genocide means you support it, by doing so you legitimise and empower Biden to ignore calls for action. Giving your vote unconditionally is bad bargaining.
I don't know what you said but whatever it was if you vote for either of these people you ARE endorsing genocide.
Every single death that happens after this vote, you voted for. You knew what they would do and you endorsed it, you gave them a mandate for it.
So you're saying the Democratic Party will openly support Trump's Gaza policy, and the media, and the EU, they're all gonna fall behind Trump and sing his praises as he bombs Gaza, is that seriously your claim?
And there are many like you who will follow suit. But there are also many who simply won't take time out of their day to vote if they don't feel good about who they are voting for.
The current strategy is to threaten and blackmail (project 2025, supreme court, Roe v Wade) potential voters, which I think will backfire, cause people to disengage, and depress turnout even further.
I personally will not be voting for either candidate, and especially not Biden, because of his enthusiastic support for and participation in genocide.
Sounds like a very important election.
Democrats should probably run someone not alienating constituents whose vote he relies on.
They should also probably run someone who doesn't make everyone who watches that debate start thinking "mabie we need to 25th amendment this guy".
Why is that a problem? Voting doesn't seem to improve anyone's situation, change anything, or stop Americans from committing crimes against humanity. What is it's purpose?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/04/if-donald-trump-wins-new-age-endarkenment
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/trump-american-democracy-could-break-down-214383/
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/21/us/politics/campaign-election-trump-clinton.html
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-trump.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/opinion/how-you-can-fight-donald-trump-right-now.html
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/04/09/etrump/JPOQJZK9hUBdBx5rdPkWFK/story.html
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/donald-trump-and-the-authoritarian-temptation/
https://www.ft.com/content/743d91b8-df8d-11e5-b67f-a61732c1d025
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/why-democrats-fear-donald-trump-n526416
https://www.vox.com/world/2016/10/26/13412050/donald-trump-rigged-elections-violence
https://time.com/4535292/donald-trump-black-slaves/
https://stanfordmag.org/contents/should-we-abolish-the-electoral-college
Of course, not all was doom and gloom, some folks said Donald Trump would just be a regular shitty president (aka the truth): https://www.newsweek.com/2016/03/25/world-under-president-donald-trump-437158.html
10 seconds on Google https://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/25/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-democracy/index.html
why are you unable to demand something from your Master? Even in "Hypothetical Thought" ?
"Traditionally" does the concept of "earning a Vote" says somethign for you ?
Good, looking forward to it at this point so you insufferable little shits will finally shut the fuck up
Look like somebody doesn't know they're in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
Although tbf, you do know since you literally said you would vote for a chimpanzee, which demonstrates how much electoral power Americans actually have in the system. Maybe the Dems will run a brain-in-a-jar next time around, probably easier to control!
Stop being hysterical, you're embarrassing yourself.
I'm curious. Where does George W rank relative to Trump for you, was he better or worse
i should have said "any republican" instead of trump. i'm not ranking them. republicans and their project 2025 will end this country. it's already begun with the corrupt scotus's continuous evisceration of settled cases.
fuck trump, fuck W, and fuck every R candidate and every R voter
Maybe we should not have a political system that one party can apparently singlehandedly end?
Do you think it will if you do? How does kicking the can down the road another four years help anything? These past four years led us right back to where we were in 2016, and 2020.
If I saw a person as an existential threat to my government, I never would have funded their primary effort in the first place.
seriously? "kicking the can" is worse than having another trump presidency? ok... do what you will. i hope you feel good about yourself, voting against biden once we're living under a textbook definition of dictatorship
I'm going to disagree with my fellow Hexbear above and state that we're not even kicking the can with Biden. The progression towards fascism doesn't pause when a Democrat is in the chair. It continues the same just with different abstractions as the reasoning.
This exact thing happened under Trump. He fired people and kept a tighter inner-circle. If you're really honest you'll find Biden doing a lot of the same stuff Trump did.
I've actually been voting for Trump my entire life, an infinite number of times, by never voting in a US election.
We were told to vote for Biden last time to avoid a genocide (✖️) to get kids out of cages (✖️) to stop the border wall (✖️) to stop Trumps racist immigration policy (✖️) to protect queer people (✖️) to protect abortion rights (✖️) to take climate seriously (✖️) to handle covid (✖️) to "believe science" (✖️) to have competent foreign policy (✖️) to stop the polices violent handling of protestors (✖️) to defund the police or at least stop giving them more money (✖️)
Voting for a democrat is just, at best, voting for last elections republican, but without public opposition. Voting legitimises power and a vote for Biden makes him believe he's right to ignore his promises and instead go full on police state.
Now we're being browbeat with the threat of "democracy being destroyed" by a man Biden has had 4 years to do something about, yet hadn't.
why dont your guys execute every single republican politician, if they are seeking to destroy democracy, they need to be destroyed before they win right
Ok so if Trump is going to kill democracy, why allow him to be president? This seems like a very silly idea.
Do you have a solution that doesn't require Democrats to win control of the Executive and the Legislature in every American election for the rest of time?
I thought liberals tended to oppose single party political systems.
"we have to vote for the senile genocider who keeps giving more money to the military and police forces who would violently crush any proletarian revolution."
"I support a workers revolution"
You are deeply unserious.
Wait, now I am very confused. Have you bought your gun yet? You should probably be posting here and not arguing with us.
He quite literally is a fascist who supports other global fascist states. Bernie Sanders is a republican.
What about Project 2025 are you concerned about specifically, that is an achievable goal? Besides the whole "replace everyone in all parts of government with a 19 year old groyper" part which the GOP has been trying to do for forever anyway, pretty much all of Project 2025 is what Biden is already doing. Ending asylum and deporting everyone? Check. Arresting dissenters? Check. Blank check to Israel and more funding to prisons, the MIC, all the rotten aspects of America? Check. Limiting access to healthcare for trans people? Check. Restricting abortion? Check. Dismantling climate legislation? Check. Busting unions? Check.
Only thing that's actually different here is that Dems do it behind your back while Republicans have a base with enough lead in their brains to think those are good things.
republicans and their project 2025 will end this country.
Have you noticed that our american flag emoji is on fire?
Do you think the dead chimpanzee's excised brain tumor would fully support genocide with all possible political and material aid?
If the chimpanzee tumor promised to replace the word "day" with "banana" I'd vote for him on Tuesbanana.
Yeah, I guess it is. Would you vote for trump or bad thing? Would you vote for biden or bad thing? Would you vote for biden or bad thing if bad thing if bad thing wasn't going to murder teh 200,000-300,000 people Biden murders every time he's in the white house?
Democracy is when I get to choose between two uncaring dictators instead of having one forced on me!
What a weasely little edit. If you have something to say, then say it to all the people who rebuked you. You won't because you have no arguments, you're just repeating talking points from the echo chamber that is your empty world.
You accomplish nothing by voting except empowering a genocide.