bots evolving by projection, and you know what projects, MACHINES. its been in front of us all along.
This same idea was posted with this same meme template within the past day, right? I'm not having deja vu? I can't find it anywhere.
Kids these days and their AI accusations. Back in my day, we assumed people who disagreed with us were uninformed, stupid, or evil.
Hey now, we have a rich tradition of calling one another paid shills. That goes straight back to the colonial era. Don't sell it short.
That's because we all know there are bot nets for sale and it would be incompence for political campaigns to not use them.
Every time I see someone complain about tankies I am just a little bit more tempted to make a hexbear or lemmygrad account lol
Hexbear has some banger memes tbh. Don't spend much time on lemmygrad but they're great when I have theory questions and such
Be ready to trade discussion for image macros and circle jerks fomenting totalitarian garbage.
Blocking PugJesus and YeetPics (PugJesus's sock puppet alt), both from .world, will cut down on a mountain of whining about imaginary tankies.
Lmao I'm a sock puppet alt now because the venn diagram of my opinion crosses another person's.
This is actually quite a compliment, it means I've definitely hurt your feelings by calling your BS out.
I'll never simp for hypocrites or authoritarian dipshits so please, block me 🤷
Simping for any fascist that critizes America (correctly or otherwise) because they simply can not comprehend that America Bad Does Not Mean America's Opponents Good?
There was a recent post joking about calling authoritarians repressed subs, and that's an unfair comparison... But it'd explain the fervor
That's another solid way, yeah. But wanting to join tankie platforms because they're annoyed about people complaining about Tankies is what I meant.
dead internet theory 2, electric boogaloo (solipsistic edition): i am the only real person on here
funny how the internet is trying to convince me it's still alive. a clever self-preservation technique!
i'm onto your tricks, bucko.
wrong im a real person.
Ask me a question only a real person would know the answer to.
I’ve always found that rhetoric hilarious because I’d say 95% of the users I block for being shitty are from sh.itjust.works
Ah right over my head haha....I usually get people calling me a tankie or socialist or fascist or whatever I lose track...im just your run of the mill European lefty in reality.
Lives in Europe.
Is Left.
Leftism is socialism.
Socialism in Europe? More like National Socialism.
all .ml users are Nazi fascist tankies confirmed.
There were a couple years in my teens when I generally wore all black clothes. I was not a goth, even if I was passingly friendly with a few goths.
Many assumed I was a goth, and it never bothered me to correct them. It was a completely understandable assumption to make.
You may not be a goth, but you certainly look like one at a glance.
You know this is a really good analogy, thank you for that perspective.
I guess if it really bothered me, I would just change instance - and I still might, as the association bothers me enough to have mentioned it unprompted.
With that said - the only time someone uses it is when they have nothing else to say, which is a small victory in itself given I doubt I ever say anything that actually justifies the aspersion.
If you don't like the post, it's safe to assume the .ml user is just trying to trick you with an alt account
Don't normalize this shit.
Opposing viewpoints are fine. Disingenuous viewpoints that conveniently show the egregious fallacies of that viewpoint and ignore them when pointed out deserve all the criticism they get.
And we know what one specific viewpoint we're talking about. Lemmy is so deeply infested with it now with the exact same bend that it's a disgustingly obvious disinformation campaign and voter suppression tactic.
Again, don't normalize this shit.
And we know what one specific viewpoint we're talking about. Lemmy is so deeply infested with it now with the exact same bend that it's a disgustingly obvious disinformation campaign and voter suppression tactic.
You're doing the thing in the meme
And we know what one specific viewpoint we're talking about.
Dang it! I'm always out of the loop.
As am I. I'm a bit curious as to which viewpoint they're discussing.
I don't think it's bad for people to be somewhat suspicious of bots/misinformation campaigns that occur online. We do know they occur.
That said, I believe we should still try to communicate on the various media platforms in the event that there is in fact a human behind the screen.
My guess: The Russian bots current aim for the US left version of the Internet is mostly trying to discourage them from voting.
Low turnout amount old people overexposed to Facebook and cable news would hurt Trump more than Biden.
Old people's vote is vastly more difficult to suppress. Old people go vote, the youth though? Just tell them shits fucked and their vote doesnt matter and they eagerly give up and sit home.
They are either lying or deeply overexposed to only one portion of the platform lol. While a lot of it has to do with US electoral stuff, that is far from the only context I have seen bot accusations thrown around. Seen it on some gaming-related communities, some vegan places for some reason? It might be fair to say the mindset stems from the anger of the political subs but that’s just a guess. (:
The other important point to make:
It’s normal to view wild ideas like troves of automated users with some skepticism. But consider: Foreign entities would likely have a huge incentive to destabilize domestic elections. If you were them, and had plenty of spare personnel, and A.I. resources…what would you do?
If I were Russia or China and I had the ability to influence US elections, I would try to stabilize the country. I'd want someone predictable who I can negotiate with and reasonably expect to have agreements last more than 4 years. This is what Putin said to Tucker, by the way, explaining why he'd prefer Biden over Trump, so that he can negotiate a lasting treaty. China, with all its economic ties to the US, would likely feel the same (though with all of Biden's jingoism and saber-rattling, I don't know that there's much difference from that perspective).
Geopolitics is not a zero-sum game, and the world is more complex than moustache-twirling cartoon villains. Destabilizing the US means the most militarized country in the world acting completely unpredictably and lashing out randomly to distract from problems at home.
Also, like, it's easy to make a bot but it's harder to make a bot that actually sounds like a human being and is able to make coherent arguments. Throwing around accusations based purely on a person's stance, even when the format isn't bot-like at all, is pure paranoia. It's just a way to categorically dismiss everything you disagree with without consideration.
Also also, what about the US intelligence community? Surely they'd have both means and motive to influence political discussions, moreso on both than foreign governments. Why aren't you concerned about that? Or what about the possibility of corporations hiring people to say stuff? Wouldn't it be way easier for entities that are based on America who could hire Americans directly?
It's really a nonsense belief that falls apart under scrutiny. But what it really is is a symbolic belief. It's obviously not true but by saying it you can performatively demonstrate your loyalty to the US government and hatred of the Other. There's no evidence for it and it's unfalsifiable.
Russia already interfered with the 2016 election, so they disagree with you.
AI doesn’t have to be used as an autoprompter. Paid workers can still review their output or use them for prompting.
If I were Chinese, I might suspect the US intelligence committee enacting foreign influence. But locally, they want functioning government so they get paid.
Also, besides the over-the-top insults, note this guy’s account is new.
Russia already interfered with the 2016 election
Unless you've got evidence that James Comey works for the FSB, I'm not sure how this miniscule ad buy sank Hillary ten points in the polls from October.
Russia already interfered with the 2016 election, so they disagree with you.
Well, you asked what I would do. I don't think it's rational for Russia to destabilize the US right now which is consistent with Putin's current stated position. Of course he could easily be lying, and he did support Trump in the past. It's possible that he's consistently pro-Trump, but it's also possible that his priorities changed based on changing circumstances, or that his perception of Trump changed after seeing him in office. It's impossible to know what's going on in his head, but it is possible to speculate based on what would benefit him and what he's said.
AI doesn’t have to be used as an autoprompter. Paid workers can still review their output or use them for prompting.
Convenient! That means that you can accuse anyone you disagree with of being a bot, regardless of evidence! I imagine that's much easier than engaging with conflicting ideas.
But locally, they want functioning government so they get paid.
A government doesn't have to be particularly well-functioning in order to afford to pay it's spies. Unless we're talking about total collapse and balkanization of the US, they're still getting paid. In the meantime, they're free to persue whatever agenda they want with no oversight, and even when they do get caught, not only are they not punished or stopped, but whoever exposed the crime becomes an enemy of the state and is hunted to the ends of the earth.
Also, besides the over-the-top insults, note this guy’s account is new.
My cashier at the grocery store was wearing reflective glasses (clearly this means they're a lizard person hiding their slit pupils), my barber asked me how my day was going (clearly he's an FBI agent collecting data about my life) and a person I disagreed with online had a new account (clearly a paid agent of a foreign government).
Tell me, how long have you had these sorts of beliefs?
People disagree with meLemmy is deeply infested!!!
You would enjoy reddit.com a lot more than this place. How about some r/worldnews?
Disingenuous viewpoints that conveniently show the egregious fallacies of that viewpoint and ignore them when pointed out deserve all the criticism they get.
Nice try, Russia. But I'm not falling for it.
And we know what one specific viewpoint we’re talking about.
turns to the camera conspiratorially
Big wink
Giant thumb pointed at Joe Biden
Large okay symbol with other hand
Thumbs up with penis
I can't blame people for thinking others are bots, especially when they make cookie cutter comments identical to so many others in nature and content. We live in a world where people have invented bots which mimic human writing to a degree of accuracy most cannot tell apart from real humans. Some of us are bots, get used to it.
I definitely get why, but people have been paranoid of interacting with bots, shills or astroturfers for as long as the internet exists. Calling someone either of these without asking to elaborate on their comment is just adding to the polarisation and intolerance of our platforms.
Often when I try to talk to people with wildly different opinions they just come back with those insults because "who can ever disagree with my opinion? They must be trolling."
So I definitely blame people for jumping to the wrong conclusions.
Yes there needs that be at least a little blame lmao. Cuz the corollary of “everyone that isn’t agreeing with me is [bot, troll, shill]” is that everyone that isn’t agreeing with you may be rightfully treated with spite and abuse.
Which is generally… not good.
Man, this is the best bot genetated comment i've read in a while. Which software did they use?
That's call Simulation Theory. It unfortunately isn't useful as a theory because the nature of your existence compared to one that is more or less real doesn't have any impact on subjective value of reality or have any effect on decision-making.
So... is our broken non-native English an advantage now (because one can tell we are real people)? Nice.
You make a valid point about the increasing difficulty in distinguishing between human and bot-generated content. The rise of sophisticated AI has indeed blurred these lines. However, it's important to remember that not all similar or "cookie cutter" comments are the work of bots. Human behavior, especially online, often tends to follow patterns and trends, leading to similar expressions of opinion or emotion.
While it's wise to remain cautious and aware of the presence of bots, we shouldn't jump to conclusions too quickly. Engaging thoughtfully and asking questions can help clarify whether we're interacting with a person or a bot. Ultimately, fostering genuine connections and critical thinking are key in navigating this digital landscape.
TBH I don't know if the risks of being an incorrect independently thinking human outweighs the risks of being manipulated by bots. Skepticism seems better of the available options. Sorry if that hurts some people's feelings, but this is the internet.
I was gonna reveal the jig if you kept going for one more comment without calling it. Didn't want to yank your chain too much.
Though I do think I agree with what ChatGPT said, if I interpreted it correctly. I was kinda skimming.
Nobody cares mate. What you posted is your opinion, flawed logic and all. Maybe if you wrote your own comment it might not have been so shit.
I get where you're coming from—skepticism is a reasonable stance given the circumstances. The risk of being misled by bots is real, and it's crucial to approach online interactions with a critical eye. However, it's also important to balance skepticism with an openness to genuine human engagement.
While the internet can be a wild place, fostering a bit of trust and empathy can lead to more meaningful conversations and connections. We can stay cautious without becoming completely cynical. By asking questions and seeking deeper engagement, we can often tell apart genuine interactions from automated ones, while still maintaining our critical thinking skills.
you don't have to, reddit refugee's have been lobbying the entire lemmyverse to institute site-wide lemmy instance bans that will end up making this happen whether you want it or not; guaranteeing that lemmy sites will turn into echo chamber mini reddits but with far fewer users and very little content
Honestly I don't see all this hade and intolerance here on lemmy.world and i've been around since last year. Can you give me some context?
Actual context because the other comment (e: the prettybunnys one) is clearly showing some bias:
!politicalmemes@lemmy.world is constantly in turmoil against itself regarding some US electoral stuff. About once per thread (no joke) an argument gets to a point where one person accuses the other of not being human because they just can't fathom how different their positions are. This also spreads to other communities but I generally find !politicalmemes to be the primary source. (e: This also is common on .ml communities unless I am mistaken. I just am not exposed to that much since my instance does not federate with .ml.)
(Disclaimer: while funny, don't do this kind of attack without real evidence; it's generally frowned on by mods as uncivil.)
Truly. Especially on platforms where we can't see each other's faces to remind each other we exist and might or might not have had coffee this morning.
Not denying there are bots on here of course, there definitely are, just quite a few less than the average edgy political swearing session would lead you to believe.
Really? That is kind of pleasing to hear to be honest. I only ever encountered echochamber comments any of the times I went on any political thread here, one sided anchoring and confirmation bias, so I stopped. I'm kind of happy to hear that there are multiple perspectives being discussed at all. Neat.
Context:
People with overt bias and deliberate messaging are being called out for it.
Those people make posts like this.
had to scroll quite a bit to find this perspective. I’m on politics all the time, there really are a handful of “bad actors” who follow a clear agenda. yet I’ve never seen this “ur bot” response just thrown around haphazardly, rather directed at that very same handful of disingenuous propaganda posters.
Bro you should add some hydrogen atoms on it, sprinkle that shit with hydrogenated goodness
Thank you fellow human, I will totally try that and keep you informed!
Edit: indeed, it is totally worth trying!
Hehe tricked him into consuming dihydrogen monoxide. This week surely make him trip ..his circuits off!
there is only one opinion, all of the other opinions about everything else are wrong. Only this one is correct.
Don't worry, i won't tell you what opinion i'm talking about, because that would be another opinion, and it would be wrong, on account of the other one being the only correct one.
they did say it, whether or not this is the opinion, i cannot confirm, but this is definitely one of the opinions.
I've seen post activity from a certain users from a specific group / social circle on lemmy thats way to similar
Either it's one person with a lot of alts or a coordinated effort by a group of people though with alts you can make yourself appear to be a bigger if you're one person alone