Undecided whether “objectified kink” is an upgrade or downgrade from regular xenophobia.
It had a higher ceiling though. Objectification and kinks have some normal-facing sides.
Racism and xenophobia not so much.
I don't get it. What's the line between being into something which is obviously fine and good and "fetishizing" them? This guy is into Latin moms, I don't see what's so wrong about that
Good question. First, from plagiarism machine:
For Viewing it as Problematic: Focusing on "Latina moms" can be seen as reducing individuals to stereotypes based on their race and role as mothers, which objectifies and disrespects their full identity.
Against Viewing it as Problematic: If expressed respectfully and consensually, a preference for "Latina moms" could be seen as just another personal attraction, highlighting the diversity in human sexual interests.
Now, from a researcher who addresses the second point above:
Why Yellow Fever Isn’t Flattering: A Case Against Racial Fetishes
Abstract: Most discussions of racial fetish center on the question of whether it is caused by negative racial stereotypes. In this paper I adopt a different strategy, one that begins with the experiences of those targeted by racial fetish rather than those who possess it; that is, I shift focus away from the origins of racial fetishes to their effects as a social phenomenon in a racially stratified world. I examine the case of preferences for Asian women, also known as ‘yellow fever’, to argue against the claim that racial fetishes are unobjectionable if they are merely based on personal or aesthetic preference rather than racial stereotypes. I contend that even if this were so, yellow fever would still be morally objectionable because of the disproportionate psychological burdens it places on Asian and Asian- American women, along with the role it plays in a pernicious system of racial social meanings.
What do y’all think?
I think the "reducing to roles" thing is a bit silly. Some are into firemen but I feel like it'd be silly to run around calling that morally objectionable. I don't think anyone is under the impression a fireman, a teacher or a mom is literally just that role and nothing else.
I wonder if the race thing would be fine if it was towards the majority group of a country, since most of the objection from the paper seems to be about how it disadvantages people and enforces that disadvantage. That'd lead in funny situations though where being into white guys or gals would be fine in the US but not into black guys or gals. And in Japan it'd be fine to be into Asian guys or gals but not everyone else.
Engagement and learning usually do end racism yeah, that's pretty much how it works. Why do you think conservatives are so against things like college and inclusiveness? They don't like melting pots.
Then when confronted they'll insist that they're not racist, that they're a melting pot of friendship whilst using the classic line: "Some of my best friends happen to be black!"
From the river to the sea literally means destroying Israel. Gaza is 99% Sunni Muslim, wtf do you think happens to minorities there?
For future readers wondering, since OP decided to overwrite their comment thread (making it seem like a bot deleted it):
The comment above asked for what sounded like a good faith effort to show that protestors were calling for the death of 7 million Jews. After I provided that in the below comment, the commenter then tried to shift the conversation to other factors of the war, and use the argument "but other people are calling for genocide too". They then added personal attacks, and in response to me pointing out that Jews are uncomfortable because people are calling for the genocide of nearly half the global Jewish population, responded with "maybe they should be uncomfortable", implying that they agree with Jews being subject to genocide. They then tried to pretend I'm a bot or an idiot and overwrote all their comments.
I know it's a tiny little corner of the internet, and ultimately doesn't matter that much if an argument is preserved, but it matters to me. This is the kind of thing I face regularly. This is also the reason I wrote it with a throwaway account.
Zionists don't deserve to live.
Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists.
(Source)
From one of the leaders of the protest at Columbia, who also led around 200 protesters to surround 3 Jews who came to the site and led them to chant "expel the Zionists" (video of the incident in the article).
This is also just what's publicly reported on, not including Israeli news sources who often report on other incidents that don't make it to reputable American media, nor including personal incidents that I and my family and friends have been subjected to.
Edit: more stuff, though more dubious source, with a list of chants at protests: https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/04/22/hamas-we-love-you-list-chants-statements-columbia-universitys-gaza-solidarity-encampment/. Some of these I've heard personally, including "We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!"
And another one with less info, more reputable source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/03/college-gaza-protests-antisemitism
I'm so done with this thread. No one can be this shortsighted, I refuse to believe these posts are made by anything other than bots.
No, because you're changing the discussion. You were making the claim that people aren't calling for the death of all Israelis. I'm saying, they are. Israeli government officials also calling for the death of Palestinians doesn't change the fact that in the US, where I am, people are actively protesting for the death of 7 million Jews, as the above commenter said.
I'm not looking to get into a larger argument about the state of the war; I have my own opinions but I hold them to myself for the moment.
That doesn't invalidate my point that Jews are feeling threatened because people are calling for at best the displacement of, and at worst the death of everyone in the one and only Jewish state - the state where the majority of the worlds Jewish population lives, and most Jews likely have family or connections in. And that's even taking the more charitable assumption that it's not a dogwhistle or precursor to calling for the death of all Jews, as many other protests in the past have.
I'm so done with this thread. No one can be this shortsighted, I refuse to believe these posts are made by anything other than bots.
Once again, observing in disgust is not the same as calling for the death of 7 million Jews. And it shows a lot that when I presented you with that evidence, you didn't say "that's awful, no one should call for the extermination of all the people in a nation", but "yeah, you deserve it". Funny how you get all up in arms about genocide, but ignore calls for genocide against those you don't like.
Edit: oh sorry, I misread, you're not just ignoring it, are you? You're actively AGREEING that Jews should fear people wanting to kill them all.
Thanks for engaging in good faith :) this is why Jews feel so safe and comfortable, knowing that when they raise valid concerns about people calling for their death, everyone immediately jumps to their defense, saying "no one should die!" and not "yeah, you deserve it!"
Also: world Jewish population: 15.7mil, or 0.2% of the world population. Estimated Jews killed in the Holocaust: 5-6mil, about 60% of the world Jewish population. This has happened before and it will happen again: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism
I'm so done with this thread. No one can be this shortsighted, I refuse to believe these posts are made by anything other than bots.
> hate a group of people
> learn about the group of people's culture
> love a group of people
my ended by me growing up. in my country small towns and villages had pretty much no foreigners when I was child so racism was pretty normal. mostly just really offensive jokes and racial slurs with no though give to them. so it was pretty easy for all that shit catch in to you. when I grew up a bit and started hangik out in the closest city I quickly stopped all of that shit. I was never racist by heart or hateful towards minorities but all that joking and slurring was so normalized that I didn't really give it a thought until I actually started thinking independently.
I feel sad towards some of the people I used to know who are now young adults and still live there doing the same bullshit and being actually racists
That is what it was like in the UK in the 1950s and 1960s. Unless you lived in one of the major cities,which was like four cities at the time, you didn't really see anyone who wasn't Caucasian.
It wasn't racism, it was ignorance.
Anon must be a slow learner if it took him this long to figure out that Latina women are hot.
ACKCHYUALLY, it's ethnicism, we're all part of the human race.
I guess unless you're such an ethnicist you don't believe those other people are human?
I love Mexican food so much though; Latina moms too! ❤️
I guess unless you're such an ethnicist you don't believe those other people are human?
Is that too far off from what a racist thinks?
