https://kotaku.com/fallout-4-new-update-next-gen-patch-stop-bethesda-mods-1851473401
The open-world RPG received a new patch today, to fix the last one, but problems still persist
My "nExT gEn" update experience:
FYI, most mods I installed are from:
People have complained about FO4’s graphics since release. I always thought it was a good looking game. Coming back after the next-gen update I still think it looks good.
It always looked like nearly next generation. Better than New Vegas, but when stacked up against the other releases that year like Witcher 3 and Bloodborne it just felt a but underwhelming.
IMO the graphics look great, it's just that it's so clearly built on the creation engine. Like, the models and textures and lighting are great, but the animation is just so....creation engine
Brother the company is owned by Microsoft now. You can complain about their product in any way you want. Its sold under Microsoft, you can complain. Again, Microsoft
Currently at 30ish hours and still enjoying it.
Reminded me that Bethesda does release some great / huge games.
Albeit quite bugged at release,
but since they (usually) embrace the modding scene, lots of this can be / has been patched and even improved by the community.
The Next Gen update is a stupid cash-grab though, and imo should have never happened..
An official modpack would have been much better.
Albeit quite bugged at release, but since they (usually) embrace the modding scene, lots of this can be / has been patched and even improved by the community
Except that all of their patches broke all the mods.
FO4 also was a mediocre fallout game but a decent FPS and base builder
The world is great to explore. Lots of hidden goofs to uncover, but yeah, you play New Vegas for story.
No offense but this is totally 🤡 meme. You just walked deeper and deeper into bullshit and convinced yourself to keep stepping the whole way
Console skyrim mod enjoyers are weeping having to re-download 75 mods because Todd liked the word Creations more.
Reason #150 on why Fallout New Vegas is the best Fallout:
Bethesda despises it so much that it'll never get an update, remaster, or get repacked into an anniversary edition.
No Todds, No Masters
Given that it was made by a different company, doing anything with it may actually be legally complicated.
Isn't Obsidian also owned by Microsoft? Pretty sure it's just a matter of Satya Nadella giving the greenlight
Yes. Which is why there's so much speculation about the fallout rights being given back to Obsidian for more.
I wouldn't mind west coast to be taken by obsidian and east coast by beth tbh.
Naw fuck that, Bethesda gets from Virginia up through New England, I want obsidian to get a crack at the southeast and Midwest
Yet Bethesda are/were the publishers when it released and Beth owned the fallout IP then and continues to own the IP.
Such a weird narrative that Bethesda hates New Vegas. Fallout 3 also doesn't have a remaster or anniversary edition.
With Bethesda's blessing, season two of the show likely revolves around New Vegas.
Personal conspiracy theory time:
The only reason they are going to New Vegas for season 2, is to lay down a whole bunch of Bethesda-fied revisionist history about the whole Nevada area.
They would want to torch the playing field, and make creating a New Vegas 2 that is worth a damn impossible, in anticipation of the possibility Microsoft might put Obsidian on Fallout too, after Outer Worlds 2.
After the studio closures Microsoft just did? Todd is probably, and absolutely justifiably, scared shitless with Obsidian and MGM Amazon's 'friendly' competition.
This is starting to feel like their way of blocking Fallout London from releasing indefinitely.
bethesda has historically hated mods and the people who make them. its why their games have such a small modding scene
Well the updates to Skyrim, Fallout and lack of modding tools for Starfield seems to indicate that it is now a reality. I seriously cannot fathom why they would sabotage themselves like that. It's absolutely obvious since at least Oblivion that mods are lifeline and reason for success of Bethesda rpg games yet here we are.
the games sold just fine on console, before modding was possible on it. never got this modding saves bethesda narrative. its just a neat addition
But the point of Bethesda isn't to sell their games. It's to sell GamePass. Nobody has to play Fallout, they just have to want to play Fallout enough to buy GamePass.
My gut feeling is that the procedural generation thing in Startfield somehow absorbs some people's need for mods.
Yes, clearing out the exact same building 40 times is much more entertaining than having a different building layout. /s
No, not really. After Starfield released mod scene EXPLODED capital letters, there were hundred new mods every day. However, without proper tools 95% of those mods are very simple reskins and modders got burned out and bored on this fast. Now we are 8 months after release with still no tools and that enthusiasm is largely gone. Part of it will still be back, but the best moment to establish a vibrant mod community has passed.
They've certainly gotten more hostile to mods since the M$ acquisition. At least mods that don't want to play ball with the creation club nonsense.
I seriously doubt that. Bethesda's titles are generally some of the most moddable mainstream titles. I missed sarcasm.
that was my point yes. in fact bethesda loves mods so much they will straight up hire modders as devs. i think the sim settlement guy got hired
They actually made the load time worse with their update. Not by a little, by a fucking tonne. Going from any interior to outside now takes like a full minute and 30 seconds, its ridiculous.
It took that time before the update for me as well. 1-2 minutes for every loading screen. There was a mod for that (before the next-gen update) that you could not load via nexus, bc the setup was a little more conplex, but it worked really well (see https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/10283 )
The method of this mod was to speed up the fps only while in the loading screen to 300-350 bc the loading times were somehow tied to the fps. Well done Bethesda.
It seemed a lot faster for me prior to this latest update, but they were never superb. Here's hoping either the mods can be fixed or bethesda can get their shit together.
That is the hackiest workaround I've ever heard lol but I will give it a shot, thanks.
Xcom2 had a nice "feature" where if you hit capslock right when the mission starts to load it paused all animations and actually loaded the damn mission far quicker than normal
I've literally always done this with fallout 4. I think Skyrim too. Not because I thought it was improving anything mind you, it was taking so long that I would tab out to scroll some website while I waited.
Hah, those are the load times I used to get on my Xbox One with its dinky HDD. At the very least, The Midnight Ride has been updated to post next-gen, and I now get really small loading times (<5 sec) on my SSD. The game feels less rough around the edges, too. Only took 3 hours to set up :,)
I dunno, I'm looking for more like 8+ hours of modding troubleshooting to really get into it.
Super strange because on PS5 the load times are extremely fast since the patch. indoor / outdoor transitions are never longer than 4 or 5 seconds, and quick travel maybe 6 or so
let me guess, they still did not learn to add a beta branch for the old version after all the shit with skyrim mods and anniversary edition
I am so glad that Irongate is being much smarter with Valheim. You can opt into the beta and also choose older versions of the game to downgrade to, all within Steam. Very helpful for an early-access game with tons of mods and sporadic updates.
I actually downgraded from Skyrim SE to oldrim in November. I started playing modded after a hiatus after the first big update whatever that was
Everything a little harder to deal with but at least I don’t have to worry about it updating
Rip in peace my mod list: from whenever I started to December
I don't understand why people put up with this with a freaking game. I will never pay money to companies that do this stuff. There are literally tens of thousands of games available right now that are perfectly enjoyable.
I get that. For me modding is part of that experience and maybe it’s Stockholm syndrome but Skyrim itself is kinda fun with mods just with how many there are
Yeah I know, the show came out and everyone is hyped because of that. But maybe put those resources into fixing shit in Starfield?
And you know what? That would be fine.
If they market it as a side experiment, a AA game, priced at $40.
But no, they marketed it as Star Citizen 2.
Starfield can't be fixed. The game's issues are rooted in its core - procedurally generated maps, zero-consequence writing, forgettable gunplay. They could fix stuff like base building, giving it an actual purpose, for example. But in order to make exploration and role playing interesting/fun they'd have to effective make a whole new game.
I'm still optimistic. No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk, and Fallout 76 took their heaping trash and glued things until it became fun. And Starfield has a lot of really good working pieces that can be salvaged.
But you might also be right. I can't imagine Bethesda fixing quests or narrative elements.
Cyberpunk had a good story and characters, and basis for a game it just was rushed lut the door unfinished. They actually care about making No Man's Sky better and delivering on their initial promise, then surpassing it when they initially failed and let everyone down. Bethesda doesn't care. They just want money. They aren't going to even consider making starfield a good game unless They add an atom shop first and stuff to spend the money on
Don't you know Bethesda? They won't even fix bugs that are thoroughly documented by the community and take 5 minutes to fix. They're not going to fix a game that is missing entire features.
They’re all out of fun game ideas and need something to do.
They could try fixing something for a change
Todd Howard: we hear you fans, we are currently working on updates for Morrowind, Starfield and Elder Scrolls Online which will break add-on/mod support and ruin the frame rate for those games instead of just FO4!
Are you familiar with Tamriel Rebuilt? The team has been adding content to the mainland of Morrowind for 20 years. They're technically not finished, but there's plenty to do.
There's also Project: Tamriel with Skyrim: Home of the Nords and Province: Cyrodiil. There's not as much content as Tamriel Rebuilt, but all are being actively worked on.
Shouldn't they just beg Bethesda to incorporate the script extenders directly into the new releases or the script extender devs to update?
I'm far from an expert with mod development, but this seems like the best way out of the mess they've put themselves in. I think modders would come in droves if they made it really easy
Still haven't updated to the new update. You just have to swap an app manifest file, takes 5 seconds.
I'm not sure why people with modded setups updated, I guess they had yet to learn that lesson.
So, they're giving it the Skyrim treatment. I think it's received about 10 version updates since AE launched like 2 years ago. I ended up downloading a modlist that was 1.5.97 (the original version of Skyrim SE) and ended up sticking with it since it's future proofed.
1.6 mods are also stable now, but of course Bethesda shits out the patches every now and then so you need to downgrade anyway, just to 1.6.
They definitely are, I have been using 1.6 for a while, it's just a pain in the ass to keep updating SKSE mods or those mods that support 1.6 but only older versions because the authors don't make mods anymore.
The most thriving mod communities are ones for games that have essentially been abandoned by their publisher. Bethesda is infamous for trying to integrate with its modding scene and personally I don’t care for it.
ITT: techbros white-knighting for M$FT and BGS so hard that I genuinely believe their fathers might be Xbox Ones
I mean, I get it, I do, I love modding... But can't they just not upgrade or even downpatch?
It’s not that they can’t, it’s that people are getting blindsided by updates to a game which supposedly hasn’t received updates for over half a decade, and downgrading on Steam is a surprisingly huge PITA. The Midnight Ride recommends patching, fwiw.
you download the corresponding depots using the console / steamcmd. Here's the process using the console.
Most tutorials I can find involve enabling the steam cli, then using steamdb to look up the “depots” of previous versions and downloading the old update in chunks, then unpacking and copying the old game files to your install location. Not exactly convenient.
No, fortunately enough. A FO5 written by Obsidian could be released as a bug-free superset of FO4, but includes the whole USA and the moddinglinked people would still be trying to mod FO4.
Because the game is old and hasn't been worked on in years. They're no reason to even think about turning off updates for it unless you happen to know the random years later update is coming.
But I learned the hard way awhile ago with Xcom 2. They "update" that all the time, but don't do anything to the game, is just the shitty launcher they keep updating every month.
In my particular case, I just didn’t know it was enabled (my modding guide mentioned a way to stop it, but I guess I did it incorrectly). The game hadn’t received updates in half a decade, and I don’t really use Steam for anything else. Apparently, I wasn’t the only one in that boat.
They can. The issue is it'd eventually split the community. Mods that no longer have support will be lost, and the ones that do will either decide it isn't worth updating each time or have to put up two versions. It also creates needless new work for people, especially the F4SE devs.
Just look at the current state of Skyrim modding.
Aside from some still holding to LE. There are the 1.5.97 SE users and the 1.6+ AE users. And there have been at least one or two more updates in the 1.6 line that also caused more issues and require their own dedicated builds of various mods.
Its fucked
You have one story, thats it. They can update that game til PS7 is a thing and you will have 1 story. I love the game but the replay value is minimal, at best
