Top senators believe the US secretly recovered UFOs
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That may well be, but "top Senators" believe all kinds of bullshit, so it's sadly not saying much.
They believe in an invisible sky wizard with a son who doesn't want you to masturbate. They will believe anything.
I'm not quite sure Chuck Schumer believes in Jesus. I know you're just making an edgy comment, but do you really believe that people should be disregarded just for having a religious view? These are people are working off of reports from the intelligence community and DoD. This is a bipartisan issue being addressed in both the House and Senate. When members of the Gang of Eight have expressed concern over UAP then the topic at least deserves review.
So your point is, we should disregard that elected officials deciding people's fates are at best gullible/indoctrinated from birth and unable to escape the brainwash, and at worst - literally mentally ill enough to lack the power to distinguish reality from fairy tales? And that we should trust them with defining a set of norms that society abides by, when their set of ethics is founded on the delusional ramblings of people thousands of years ago, ramblings ultimately responsible for genocidal movements like the crusades?
Fuck aliens, my dude. No need to look across the universe for problems. We have enough in our own back yard. You'd disregard them if they believed in Santa or the tooth fairy, why not disregard them when they believe in magic shepherds and eternal suffering for those who disagree with them? At least the fuckers who believe in Santa aren't arguing for the brutal torture of those who don't believe in Santa.
This is a global phenomenon, not an US one, the US simply has been the most vocal. West-European politicians are mostly Atheist. No clue about the believes of Asian politicians.
Its entirely possible that this is all a big misinformation campaign, Colonel Karl Nell who stated yesterday “non-human intelligence exists, non-human intelligence has been interacting with humanity. This interaction is not new, and it’s been ongoing, and unelected people in the government are aware of that. There’s zero doubt.” At the SALT conference the other day did mention someone else who turns out is from the Isreal space agency... considering the climate... There may be some additional motives at play.
Still even if it 100% fake it deserves to be talked about. For as much as i hate industry leaders they were just told by a highly credible official that non human intelligence is a fact. This will make waves in society for better or worse. How can we hold the oil giants accountable if THEY believe that an extraterrestrial hero will come in to save us from global warming anyway so they can exploit as they please?
There is also the fact that even when its about fairy tales, it has not stopped government from spending large amounts of funds into all kinds of bizarre secret studies (MK Ultra and the monroe tapes anyone). Some of those could still exist. Doesnt a public have a right to know where all the unaccounted spending in the military actually went towards?
So no matter if your standpoint is "i believe" or "this nonsense is distracting us from real problems" Its in the interest of both parties that any previous secret studies are publicly released as quicky as possible so any (lack of/potential) proof is empirically known and we can either move on from this topic or get real answers.
Please explain the harm in what has been done so far in congress regarding UAP? The primary goal so far has been to get oversight of programs that have been over classified over decades that not congress or even the president have been aware of. Regardless of what the programs have been about, alien or not, they’re getting budgeting with absolutely no oversight.
You’re also putting a lot of words in my mouth. No where am I suggesting to take anyone by their word without researching the topic yourself. I sure don’t. If you trust any politician without second thought then you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.
It's actually possible that aliens are a thing. For one, the universe is huge, and we can't even see a fraction of it. If you really think that we are the only ones in the entire universe given how huge it is, infinite even, that's your choice, but it's very unlikely. Also, there's been some recent events about it being possible, and finally, bashing people for being religious is 100% unnecessary.
It's not about being the only ones, and the very size of the universe is precisely why it's extremely unlikely we've been visited by a race so incompetent they keep crashing their ships
This argument is significantly weaker than most people who voice it are aware, imo.
Our current understanding of the universe, physics, space travel, etc., leads us to believe your statement. The universe is too big, travel takes too long, we're limited by things like the speed of light, and whatever fuel/energy is required to travel through space.
Speculating here obviously, an intelligent species that is significantly more advanced than us could have a much better understanding of physics and the universe, to an extent that we couldn't even comprehend. This is the definition of "more advanced". They could be a little more advanced, or so far beyond us that we could never even comprehend their abilities or motives for anything. Kinda like how you will never be able to teach a chimpanzee calculus, it's brain simply isn't capable of learning the concepts, ever, no matter how much time you have to try.
We've only really had advanced applied science (according to us, since it's all we know) for like the last 100 years or so? Splitting the atom, the transistor, etc.
Imagine a species that kept advancing for 100s of thousands or 10s of millions of years? Traveling galaxies could be easy for them, we simply don't know.
My reasoning above is also similar why I feel like the Fermi peridox is really unsatisfying. We can't see aliens emitting technosignatures like light or other electromagnetic radiation, or heat signatures or whatever. We're thinking like humans, expecting to see things exactly as we do them. If an alien species is so far beyond us, they could think communication via photons and electromagnetic radiation is archaic, etc.
Yeah, I get that there could be some hypothetical race of beings so far beyond our comprehension they might as well be magic...but, again...I don't see a species that advanced being so incompetent as to continually crash into the broad side of a planet...or get shot down by our military (which would be like a caveman throwing rocks at an F35).
One of the weirder theories that explains crashes is that the aliens are smuggling human artifacts, which is illegal in their society and at least some of them use ships that can barely make the trip, due to limited resources of their criminal enterprises.
There is no hard proof available about any crash, there is even less evidence that a supposed crash would an accident.
Its very reasonable that a advanced society would test humanity by throwing some old rubbish at our planet to see if we are smart enough to understand or copy it after x-time.
More recently, Schumer and a bipartisan group of five other senators introduced extraordinary legislation alleging the existence of surreptitious “legacy programs” that retrieve and seek to reverse-engineer UFOs of “non-human” origin.
A bit of both. Some are leaning into a non-human element, as documented in the amendment put forward by Schumer. A stripped down version of that passed with the last National Defense Authorization Act still including some mention of non-human intelligence. While others aren't speculating on their origins, just that there are objects defying any currently known technology, some of which the US may have come into possession in the past.
we found some shit flying around and we don't know what it is... Research has indicated it was dandelion seeds.
If aliens had come here prior to the Biden administration I am 100% confident we would know because Trump would've said so himself or (slightly less likely) leaked to Russia who in turn would confirm.
Your speculation doesn't hold water by any means.
The foundation of this entire fiasco is that there are special access programs getting tax funds and they're not disclosing details to congress or the executive branch. This is part of why Grusch was investigating these programs, and became a whistleblower.
I wouldn't bet a dollar they'd tell trump anything, or any pres for that matter.
For those wondering where this sudden interest comes from, watch Dave Grush interview
https://youtu.be/x_9gTDXF9Vc?si=eVsJgFwrpmHfMECJ No matter your opinion on the subject, he is the most credible source yet
If by credible you mean full of shit.
Being in the military does not make you more/less credible.
Being in intelligence services does not make you more/less credible.
The man could be a believer, like people who trust psychics, and genuinely think what he’s saying is true. He could be struggling with mental illness and believe himself. He could be a huckster trying to make money off UFO enthusiasts ( writing a book, giving paid lectures, interviews).
He hasn’t shown evidence. That’s a serious red flag. Perhaps that evidence comes tomorrow, but all previous claims like this just fade away without evidence being shown.
I still remain logically skeptical and also want hard evidence, but a lot of what you say doesn't make any sense.
He went under oath as a whistleblower. Book writing and doing this as a cash grab makes absolutely zero sense. If he's lying or making shit up, he's toast. He seems to know and follow the law way too well for some fancy grift.
The entire reason he's not "showing evidence" is because it's all classified and he'll be crucified. You know this, which means you are being deliberately disingenuous.
Imo he's done his job. The ball is now in the court of our ridiculously flawed and corrupt government. Why don't they grab all the 40 people Grusch interviewed? Why don't they forcefully get the answers and evidence Grusch has?
We know. It's classified. Need to know. National security.
He went under oath as a whistleblower
People still lie though.
If he's lying or making shit up, he's toast
I think this is already the consensus among people who at least didn't believe in UFOs before hearing about him.
He seems to know and follow the law way too well for some fancy grift.
Pathologies can be sneaky like that.
The entire reason he's not "showing evidence" is because it's all classified and he'll be crucified
You can't know that, you're just wildly guessing. It's a convenient cop-out for bullshitters.
You know this, which means you are being deliberately disingenuous.
No, I just think he's full of shit, whether he realizes it or not. Until I see some evidence I'm not willing to change my mind.
our ridiculously flawed and corrupt government.
There are other countries and governments and people of the world. Not a single one has ever shown any credible evidence in the history of ever.
Why don't they forcefully get the answers and evidence Grusch has?
Because I believe it's all made up.
Meh, I'm kinda suspicious of even replying to you as your arguments are really silly, and your probably just a troll, but,
People still lie though.
I think this is already the consensus among people who at least didn't believe in UFOs before hearing about him.
Honestly, what argument are you even making here? If he's lying under oath, severe criminal penalties. His claims are based on evidence he was given by people he investigated/interviewed. You're saying he's lying about it? For what, a book deal? You are very much grasping at straws here.
Pathologies can be sneaky like that.
Zero evidence of "pathologies". All signs point to him being very mentally stable, thus far. You're just making stuff up now.
You can't know that, you're just wildly guessing. It's a convenient cop-out for bullshitters.
What are you even talking about? This is what's being reported. I'm only as good as the information I'm given. What you're trying to say is he's lying, he has no info, nothing is classified? You have zero evidence to back up your claim that he's lying.
I only agree with you only that I want hard evidence before I just "believe aliens are here".
Because I believe it's all made up.
Very simply, you don't have evidence "it's all made up". Obviously. Anyway you seem like you're just having fun being the antagonist troll as none of your arguments are compelling.
I find the whole situation interesting and want real answers regardless of the outcome.
If your argument comes down to "you don't have the evidence to prove a negative" that's a pretty strong indicator that your argument is weak. People saying something isn't proof. If one is to make expansive claims there should be evidence to support those claims.
I dont think what you're saying is accurate.
"you don't have the evidence to prove a negative"
I dont think im asking for this. The poster I'm responding to is making very specific claims. Very definitively, that Grusch is lying, either for a money grab grift in some form, or due to "pathologies". For these specifics I would like some evidence, of which there is none.
If OP would leave it simply at "I don't believe it because I haven't seen enough evidence to convince me", then we would have a lot more in common as I'm in the same boat! I also want to see evidence regardless of which conclusion it leads to.
However, where we differ might be that given all the current info the public has, there is enough to take it seriously and desire more investigation. There's too much now to automatically say it's "absolutely untrue, and all BS and lies."
Most credible yet, means I don't know of anyone with more credibility. If you know of anyone else more credible I'd be glad the read about it. Also, yes having security clearance giving you access to secret documents does make someone more credible than not having that clearance. The possibility that he is full of shit out has been manipulated remains, but he is still the moist credible source yet.
Well, ufos are teported to be stealthy, latest usa aircraft are stealthy too. If true its quite nonshocking
Because they did. It's beyond obvious by now there are objects in the skies that are either way beyond our known level of tech, or ...what? Aliens? Whatever they are.
People are dismissing the idea, but sightings by members of our own military suggest objects with movements that can't be obtained by known technology. That's on top of decades of public sightings that support the idea of something more out there. People hear mention of aliens and would rather dismiss the conversation as science fiction than explore idea of it. Even if it isn't alien or non-human, there are sightings that warrant investigation and answers to the public.
This is an issue that deserves debate and not ridicule. It should be perfectly fine for people to present ideas like extraterrestrial/non-human life when examining an unknown phenomenon. Documented sightings and science will get to the root of what they are, but in the meantime speculation is what helps fuel the curiosity to learn more.
This shit is so common that if you spoke to members of the Navy who have travelled the oceans and bring up USOs and lights in the sky, they'll shrug and be like "yeah happens all the time out there"
It's also worth noting how much money goes to the MIC that's unaccounted.... Literally trillions of dollars. The Pentagon continually fails audit after audit.It's criminal how much secrecy they get away with. They should be accountable to the people.
I agree with the analogy, but not in your conclusion. Those were often animals that were misidentified. Even in your analogy you cite something observed that deserves research. Should we have ignored tales of mermaids and folk creatures that lead to the identification and study of new animals? I think it's absurd to say that you should ignore something because you view it as a tall tale. I'm simply saying to let people speculate and let science determine what truth is.
Why ask some random dude on the internet? Ask Chuck Schumer, he'll get you caught up.
The PDF of the bill is also available for download. It's a fascinating read. It's no wonder they gutted it.