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my attempt to reach the users of blahaj resulted in some interesting responses

A message from a Hexbear user - Blåhaj Lemmy

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1999513

Hello Blahaj users, Unfortunately we have been discussing defederation. I would like for this to be sorted out, but our trans and disabled users deserve to be protected from transphobia and ableism. We know these are behaviors are perpetrated by a minority of Blahaj users, but they are tolerated here in the form of the 196 community. Of course, most Hexbear users are willing to re-federate once this bigoted community is removed. The admin Ada has been very helpful and I have faith in her to do the right thing for the safety of her community members. In the meantime, I would like to extend an invitation to all leftists here to make an account on Hexbear. As long as you are anti-capitalist, you will be welcome there. We are hyper-inclusive and are strict against all forms of bigotry. There has been much disinformation spread about us, so if you have good faith questions, feel free to ask. We are not “pro-Russia” as many of our detractors claim, we are anti-NATO, as they perpetuate the amerikan empire. Please ask us anything in this thread! We hope this defederation is temporary, or better yet, never comes. We do not wish to split two large queer instances just weeks after federating, but we must do what we think is right. Trans rights forever! trans-heart [https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/aec9b839-d11e-4611-9263-60a84384ac89.png]

i was trying to be tactful, respectful, and understanding by posting this thread for ppl to ask questions abt our beautiful hexbear. i didnt get any questions.

it took 4 hours for Ada, their admin, to respond. she locked the thread shortly after responding her reply above was disheartening, as she seemed willing to work with us previously. equating ableism to a dunk tank post is just vile. and claiming the transphobia in 196 is “a specific event that occurred around a month ago” proves she didnt read any of our concerns. i didnt know abt that event, im sure most of us here dont. our concerns are rooted in the chasers of 196 (non-trans ppl who fetishize trans ppl). someone replied to her saying we were “concern-trolling”. is it that unbelievable that we care abt not having bigotry in the same space as us. i want to grab some of these users by the shoulders, shake them, and yell, “WE ARE BEING GENUINE. WE ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT PROVIDING A SAFE, SUPPORTIVE SPACE FOR ALL PEOPLE, AND YOUR COMMUNITY IS ALIENATING TRANS AND DISABLED PEOPLE!!”

responses were not very positive of us

they think this is a bit! lol, lmao even! this whole thing has me jokerfication

this chain of comments particularly upset me “its a troll”. my pronouns are right next to my name, and “it” isnt one of them (even tho thats 100% a valid pronoun to prefer)

this one had me fully jokerfied

and the cherry on top warranted its own post https://hexbear.net/post/373453

65 comments

silent_water

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the point about the chaser shit was that a mod was defending it - and we know for certain chasers have made a home there because @HornyOnMain@hexbear.net got DMs from one / dogpiled for suggesting chaser shit is transphobic.

purge your fucking chasers and purge 196 you fucking cowards

Finger

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no more half measures walter

Dirt_Owl

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Yeah, if they can't even respect your pronouns then it's clear now that Blahaj.zone is a transphobic instance. Their projection seems to stem from their inability to keep their own trans and other marginalized groups safe from attack.

sharedburdens

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screm-a aaaa aaaa

absentthereaper

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Y'know, blahaj really isn't doing shit to convince me it's not just a cesspit comprised near-entirely of the gold star/three no's gay community, especially not with their Vaush infection; and that's enough to make me want them defederated

ZoomeristLeninist

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gold star/three no's gay community

wait, what is this?

absentthereaper

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Gold star lesbians ostracise other lesbians who've been with men before; want people to believe they just came out of the womb lesbian. Three no's, which i have more familiarity with, are the gays who have "No Blacks, no fats, no fems" either at the top or bottom of their grindr profiles. Usually white, moneyed up twinks, though before I pitched out my own profiles and became a bitter queer hermit, I was seeing that mindset metastasize to non-whites.

ZoomeristLeninist

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oof. yeah a lot of blahaj seem to embody that. but there are some of them who dont. those users should make accts here, but ive already said my piece to them

silent_water

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to be more specific, gold star is a TERF thing and it's meant to exclude lesbians who have sex with trans women. it's extremely gross.

absentthereaper

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Holy shit, it gets worse! So the one 'gold star' I had the immense displeasure and misfortune of knowing either didn't know what she was talking about, or had a whole lot worse personality traits that would have seen her clipped from the circle anywho. Lovely.

silent_water

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not everyone knows about it. my partner was calling a couple of zoomer trans kids that are staying with us gold stars without knowledge of how shitty it is (for context, we're both trans).

zan

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I was giving them star stickers, I ain't callin nobody a gold star.

nocages

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It is definitely used by most people to mean that they've never been with a man. But of course, transphobes don't see trans women as women, so... 🤢

UlyssesT

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Purity ideology. Not even once. kombucha-disgust

ZoomeristLeninist

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“do what i say, not what i do”

funny-clown-hammer being a clown as always. never trust a leftist who uses or defends the use of slurs

wesker

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I feel like such a fogey. I'm assuming Vaush is some sort of internet personality? I get search hits for a YouTuber.

ShareThatBread

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From memory he’s a pedo.

ZoomeristLeninist

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yea

pedo, chaser, racist, imperialism apologist. i could go on

silent_water

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yeah, youtuber - "anarcho-Bidenist" with an extremely toxic fanbase and infamous for being a pedo, a chaser, and racist. straight up defends saying the n-word. we normally don't allow discussion of his stuff because giving him attention or brain space is a mistake but it's relevant in the context of the 196 community

absentthereaper

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straight up defends saying the n-word.

Also chased a Black youtuber(Professor Flowers) off the platform by slandering her as a genocide apologist, and utterly refuses to differentiate between white nationalism, regressive Black nationalism(the kind of horseshit that say, the Black Hebrew Israelites peddle), and actually revolutionary Black nationalism.

ImOnADiet

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She still makes videos, but yeah that's probably one of the worst things he's done besides threaten to r*pe someone.

I feel so bad for her, not only did she have to deal with all the debatebro fuckery, but apparently she also keeps getting shit from other POC or just other leftists being shitheads in general

GarbageShoot

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I think he also did actual sex pest stuff, but that was under his other name before he rebranded to escape the accusations.

ImOnADiet

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from my understanding it was all online no? Not that it makes redeemable, but I don't think he's actually physically harassed anyone in person from what we know (wouldn't put it past him of course)

GarbageShoot

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I thought the incident that made him rebrand was in real life, but I might be confusing him for someone else.

wesker

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Eesh. It's so bizarre to me the online personalities, that people will then claim to be followers of, and even attach a cutesy name to. It's like saying, "Yeah, I'm Savillain. Yeah, I'm a Cosbologist."

silent_water

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it's the commoditization of identity - corporate brands wanted people to identify with them so there was a mass push towards that, especially with advertising. with social media, "influencers" began capitalizing on parasocial relationships with their fandom as well as cultivating brand identity. the post-structuralist critiques are fairly interesting on this front.

wesker

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I just wanna go back to when it took reasonable technical investment to platform on the internet. I had such high hopes for accessibility.

silent_water

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capitalism, baybee. takes unmitigated goods and turns them into ash in our mouths.

UlyssesT

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Never trust a leftist who doesn't drop a few slurs per day.

freeze-gamer is one of the slurs that I accept and it applies here.

sharedburdens

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I noticed that post was on a thread in the chapotraphouse comm, but not visible through hexbear at all, just very weird, I can only imagine how hard it would have been dunked on if it was visible before the whole thread got locked for vaushposting outside of the dunk tank

AssortedBiscuits

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Never trust a leftist who doesn't drop a few slurs per day.

Cracker isn't a slur.

PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS

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@Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone is a self-described Vaushite, lmao. Very funny

UlyssesT

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They don't condone the kiddie creeping chaser but they are fans of the kiddie creeping chaser morshupls

Tastysnack

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I don't understand how they can type that slop and think it doesn't just come across as cognitive dissonance.

wesker

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To be fair, as neither a local member or one of a blahaj, the post did read a little... off, for a lack of a better word. I didn't feel like it was made in bad faith, but it felt a little faux pas.

silent_water

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I wanted one of our admins or theirs to make it for exactly that reason. but the response is nonetheless funny.

ZoomeristLeninist

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i guess it would have been better coming from an admin, but it wasnt an announcement post, just an invitation to ask us questions abt hexbear

rjs001

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CriticalResist8

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We don't need to, they already defederated from us without ever talking to us.

If they think bearing with the hex was bad, wait until they get us if they ever decide to try again. We're not half as patient as hexbear is with liberals, though I appreciate their effort to make this federation work with blahaj

rjs001

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CriticalResist8

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I'm not entirely sure how federation/defederation works since it's one way, from what I understand the posts that were federated remain, and one of the two parties can still comment and be seen, but the other can't? It's not super well documented yet

ImOnADiet

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the way it works is that blahaj (or any other instance that's defederated lemmygrad) won't federate any of its posts/comments made on comms hosted on its instance to lemmygrad, so we won't see those, but if they comment or post on a comm that's hosted on an instance that still federates with lemmygrad (eg. hexbear), hexbear will take that post/comment and federate it to every instance it's federated with, it doesn't check to see if the instance of that post/comment defederates from of the instances it sends it out to, it sends them all out, and so we're able to see it, unless we also defederated the original instance.

CriticalResist8

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Strange but, I've seen stranger things

rjs001

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CriticalResist8

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we might still aggregate their posts since we don't block them but I think nobody but people browsing from lemmygrad can see those comments.

rjs001

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Twink

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stardust

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As someone that created an account here after the drama on blahaj, I'm disappointed to see so many sweeping generalizations of the people that used the instance

rjs001

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stardust

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Do you think every blahaj user upvoted those kinds of comments?

rjs001

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stardust

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downvotes are disabled on blahaj (and on hexbear)

rjs001

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stardust

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I don't know specifically what comments you're referring to. I can't reply to everything on blahaj. I don't think this conversation is going anywhere so I'm just going to block and move on. Take care

ZoomeristLeninist

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no, of course there are plenty of blahaj users who are good people

kristina

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meow-hug glad to see new people, hope you like the new /c/traa community :) will be putting some gas in the engine after i wake up from my next sleep

stardust

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Thanks, I checked it out a bit. Looking forward to seeing more posts populate.

I'm still not sure if I'm going to stay, hexbear seems a little chaotic at best coming from blahaj, and a lot of the users are pretty aggressive. But I'm here for now

kristina

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35 posts, 200 comments in a day is pretty good, but those are rookie numbers 🤔 gonna be planning some coordinated campaigns to up the amount of trans people on this site.

ZoomeristLeninist

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we are aggressive against reactionary behavior. but typically we are polite and respectful when having conversations with leftists who are posting in good faith

stardust

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A lot of the aggressiveness I'm referring to is directed at blahaj users in general, not any specific users that have interacted in bad faith. Just people here calling all of blahaj conservatives or other badmouthing.

I'm just saying as someone coming from blahaj I see a lot of hostility that feels directed at me

ZoomeristLeninist

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yeah that is unfair. but there is that old adage: if nine people are eating at a table, a nazi joins, and nobody leaves, then those are 10 nazis eating together

i have only seen the behavior ur talking abt from lemmygrad users. they are sometimes harsher on liberals than us

i can promise none of it is directed at you. you came over here so you obviously recognized how blahaj was problematic. any blahaj users who migrate here are welcome cat-trans

SuperNovaCouchGuy2

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plays EVE online

Huge fucking red flag if there ever was one

Twink

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DamarcusArt

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"I haven't seen anything from Hexbear, but I know they are bad guys that force me to be homophobic!"