Even with their thousands of users, the libs can't even harness a fraction of our power
Neoliberals have no comradery and see each other as competition. They look for opportunities to tear each other down instead of supporting each other, thus making their community weaker as a whole.
Whereas the communists support one another and seek to help build their community as a whole, thus leading to a stronger, more supportive community.
"The animal species, in which individual struggle has been reduced to its narrowest limits, and the practice of mutual aid has attained the greatest development, are invariably the most numerous, the most prosperous, and the most open to further progress."- Peter Kropotkin
TLDR- Sucks that you don't have our level of solidarity, libs.
We are united in spirit and purpose, comrade. We are one well-oiled shitposting machine. For every poster that falls, ten posters will take their place.
They say that Hexbear only has enough keyboards for half of its posters, so they send people into threads in pairs, and when the first poster is banned, the second picks up his keyboard and continues posting 
This is unironically the funniest post ever put here, I'm reporting you so the mods can read it
Yeah, this is probably one of the best online communities I've ever participated in
Much better than ceaselessly arguing about which Fallout game was the best
100%.
When I'm forced to spend any amount of social time with liberals, especially the more reptilian ones you encounter in academia and managers, especially if they have an explicitly perverted ideology of neoliberalism, and even when they are suposedly best friends, I recognize after not much time that they actually don't like eachother. They hate eachother. They are jealous, petty and envious. They are all insecure. Their understanding of generosity and sympathy is absolutely reducible to a market relation of exchange for profit in purely inhuman sense, and not even in a progressive social sense of reciprocity. They often dontunderstand that friendship can be good in and of itself, perhaps because they are so alienated and toxic that they've forgotten what actual friendship is, and that love is not reducible to material or economic dependence (fantastic scene which shows this in season 3 of Succession, in Italy between Tom and Greg).
I've had many ex-liberal friends become communists just because they were so alienated by their liberal friends that they started hanging out more with communists and were like "oh damn these people actually like eachother and don't try to demean eachother".
Almost all the communists I know who come to hate eachother do so cos of theoretical and practical political beefs.
a coworker explained to me that he was suing his sister in court because he loaned her money for rent and she hadn't paid him back. I took a full 30 seconds to respond because I couldn't fathom treating anyone, leave alone family, so transactionally. it's not like he needed the money - he was just willing to trash his sister's life because he felt entitled to.
Who could have imagine that Capitalist Liberalism, an ideology based on greed and low grade solipsism and would lead to a lack of community and solidarity.
is praxis.
I'm thinking about making a alternate on another instance so I can go downvote libs.
Lemmy is much more fun since Hexbear joined, leaving lemmy.world is the best decision I made since I came to the fediverse.
Libs don't know what having fun means. Everything is constantly assumed to be totally serious at all times in their spaces and they don't know how to like... Chill the fuck out? Half the posts people are making are from the toilet on a work break. It's just not that serious.
If they chilled out and enjoyed themselves a bit more the whole thing would be 100x better. This is the primary difference between us. We're trying to have fun.
Investigated here after the pre-last resort defederation from .world and was confused why people having fun was being construed as "The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to “dismantle western propaganda” and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.”"
It's like they tried to sound smart and lost me at the 'I came here and looked around for 5 seconds and realized it's not what they were saying it was."
It wasn't fun at the time, but I'm glad we had the pronouns struggle session long before federation.
Everyone talks about it like it was a big one, but the subreddit was home to so many different nominally leftist tendencies and a lot of the more reactionary elements needed to be purged before this community could become what it is now. Can you imagine this place if it were full of bad faith devil's advocates in every thread about trans issues?
So that's why I view that struggle session as necessary. It served as a honeypot that lured all of the most bigoted users into exposing themselves at once. It's also a moment in our history that we can point to and say that this issue has already been definitively decided. We support trans people here, end of story, and anyone who doesn't like it can eat a quick ban without a second thought. On any other forum you'd get endless relitigation and cliques arguing that their buddy's ban was undeserved, but here? Crab party, baby. No drama, no arguing - just crabs.
I mean, it was big in the sense that it spread over dozens of threads and hot relitigated every couple of months before the mod team came on board with purging them on sight. otherwise, I agree. it was good and necessary, and this site wouldn't be the place it is without them. as a trans person, this is the only website I feel totally comfortable being out on that isn't an exclusively trans space and it's entirely because we successfully changed the site culture. it gives real 
vibes on the capacity of people to grow and change.
In an ideal world yeah. The silver lining is that it purged a bunch of terfs and people with hidden chud tendencies so we're probably better off for it.
Since when did it become okay for everyone to just recklessly sprinkle adverbs all over their sentences like they're trying to season their bland speech? I'm looking at you, "literally" abusers. It's "I'm tired," not "I'm literally tired." No one thought you were figuratively tired, Karen! Adverbs, more often than not, add absolutely nothing of value. They’re just these annoyingly redundant, excessively ornamental words that people use to sound more sophisticated or to emphasize something, but they end up making sentences needlessly complicated. And if you’re like me, who prefers things straight to the point, it’s infuriatingly frustrating to deal with.
Let's talk about how confusing adverbs can be. You have words like 'nearly', 'barely', and 'just'. So, if I say, “I just finished my work,” what do I mean? Did I finish it a moment ago, or am I emphasizing the surprise that I finished at all? And then there's “He's pretty smart.” Is he actually smart, or just somewhat smart? It's like the English language decided to go, “Hey! Let’s add words that can ambiguously modify the meaning of other words and create mass confusion!” Why? Just WHY? Can we, for the love of clear communication, make a collective effort to minimize our rampant adverb use? Or at least use them properly? It's not that hard, folks.
(I asked chat gpt to be an angry redditor)
Adverbs, more often than not, add absolutely nothing of value. They’re just these annoyingly redundant, excessively ornamental words that people use to sound more sophisticated or to emphasize something, but they end up making sentences needlessly complicated. And if you’re like me, who prefers things straight to the point, it’s infuriatingly frustrating to deal with.
I love how chat gpt can’t stop itself from writing like this in an argument about why you shouldn’t.
Tbh, I rarely even have to check someone's pronouns when commenting because using someone's hyperlinked username is clearer anyway (which is why there is no other explanation than transphobia to want to deny others the ability to display their preferred pronouns).
But now pronouns allow me to quickly tell whether someone is a hexbear comrade. 
Oh cool so people frome other instances can have their pronouns but just choose not to. Good to know! How did you set yours up? I only know the Hexbear way
it's just in your profile settings, for you on hexbear the displayname is locked (because that's what hexbear uses to enforce the pronoun tag), but for me I can just enter whatever I want
Neat! Its interesting to see the decisions other instances have made (and what choices there were to make in the first place). Thanks for your time 
since lemmygrad has an application to get in and specifically includes this question
What is your understanding of gender? Should Marxists support the LGBT community
it's never been a big concern for lemmygrad because the admins just reject any applications that aren't up to snuff
Like, we all know each other and have an ACTUAL COMMUNITY. Of course we do.
These liberals see each other as nothing, remember nobody, and build no unique culture of their own. They have no relationships with each other. They don't get it. We actually like each other. I care about people here you liberal losers.
How "gated" is that community? As in: How hard would it be to grow into that community? If I migrated to hexbear, would I be treated with suspicion as an outsider, with wary indifference, or welcomed immediately?
The arguments and descriptors I see here are appealing, but I've just recently started using Lemmy and I've got this lingering sense of not belonging here (yet), hence ny insecurity.
Ngl the quickest way to properly become part of the hexbear community in order of like, level of commitment required is probably to join, do like an intro post or something in c/chapotraphouse, maybe join the unofficial hexbear mastodon instance (toots.matapacos.dog) and maybe also like trans your gender or something
Also post and comment stuff ofc <3
Do I have to trans my gender? Can't I just, like, not have one at all? I'd hate to lug something around I don't need anyway.
Also, what the hell is that instance name?
Thanks for the pointers though!
Yeah being agender is cool too <3 the trans thing was only a joke really because so many of us are queer
And the instance is named after a south American dog that used to go around biting cops at protest lol
Yeah being agender is cool too <3 the trans thing was only a joke really because so many of us are queer
Oh I figured, I just wanted to make a joke of my own at the expense of gender :D
a south American dog that used to go around biting cops at protest lol
Huh, I wonder why. Did they smell of pork? ;-)
So long as you follow the Hexbear party line you'll be welcomed with open arms. All you have to do is be on the far left, don't be sectarian, oppose the US and its propaganda, and love your trans comrades.
Oh, and don't mention outdoor cats.
Uh... but you did just mention the thing you're telling me not to mention.
I prefer indoor cats anyway.
With "don't be sectarian" I'm guessing you mean "don't start fights over the specific flavour of lefty"? By some definition, willingness to bash the fash would also be considered sectarian, hence the question.
bashing the fash is table stakes. we ban anything even tangentially pro-fash. don't be sectarian refers to useless inter-leftist infighting, which we don't allow.
the outdoor cats thing is a joke about the very first argument on the website that escalated into a full-blown struggle session (whether vegans stop being vegans if they own outdoor cats - I can't even pretend to understand the argument).
bashing the fash is table stakes. we ban anything even tangentially pro-fash.
Good.
don't be sectarian refers to useless inter-leftist infighting, which we don't allow.
Good
the outdoor cats thing is a joke about the very first argument on the website that escalated into a full-blown struggle session (whether vegans stop being vegans if they own outdoor cats - I can't even pretend to understand the argument).
Uh... I think I can, but I'm scared to check the logic. Might fry a circuit or three.
@randint@lemm.ee I want you to read this.
You need to understand that we've all been here 3 years already, we know each other, care about each other, have a real community with a real unique culture forged through bonds and laughs and drama and dumb shit. We have an actual community, not just a bunch of people that don't know each other who press updoot and downdoot and generally just see one another as faceless individuals. We trust each other and genuinely like each other.
I genuinely hope that you can create something like it and come to care about the other posters around you in time. You should try to. Build something more meaningful than a reddit clone where everyone treats everyone like a bunch of faceless anons, build a real community.
lol they chose instead to post this comment to someone who was arguing with me. I'm honored tbh
Maybe both Reddit and the rest of Lemmy are echo chambers of anti-China voices too, but believe it or not, there actually are a few users that are pro-China on there, unlike on hexbear.net where there are no anti-China voices at all. It's pretty obvious which platform is more of an echo chamber.
someone hasnt seen our weekly China struggle sessions 
We only look monolithic to libs from outside because we close ranks against bullshit Western lies and propaganda. But there is ample disagreement here about China and many other topics, and we have it out with each other fairly frequently on the many topics we disagree on. We've come to refer to these arguments with one another as "struggle sessions."
For example, it's worth noting that we have anarchists here (among other non-Marxist-Leninist tendencies), who are often fairly critical of China when they have a chance to be, without annoying libs getting in the way of the discussion.
I realize you very much have a dog in the China-Taiwan fight, as it were, and I understand your reluctance to support the other side. But, while your island's history is not littered with as many atrocities as that of my own nation (the US), you really ought to consider, as I and the many Westerners here have, that your country is not on the right side, and is in fact the bad guys. Chiang Kai-Shek was a monster, and any reasonable person should want to piss on his grave. The most effective way to do that would be to work toward reunification, the one thing he opposed more clearly than anything else.
Tbf this is a very unusual time in the websites history due to the federation, and sorting by hot or new or, uh, "all time - month" will look very different.
It's also just false that there are no anti-china people. For example, we have a weird Khrushchevite who says that he and only he is the one good head of state to hold office at any point from 1950 to now.
You can also find plenty of people who have criticisms of China (myself still included) but just hate the bullshit western articles that get shared on lemmy.ml or whatever. Between
Vs 2) a group where (let's just say) 100% of the user base at least supports China over America but they are able to have real discussions about journalistic epistemology and media bias that doesn't equate "unbiased" with "bipartisan".
I think 2 is a lot less of an echo chamber because the presence of people with absolutely moronic and uncritical responses to media are not a substantial indicator of something succeeding in not being an echo chamber. Consensus within a finite population is a real social phenomenon and the vast majority of people can be reasoned with over time.
Edit: "but you just like your own media!"
Look at what we actually talk about. There is some use of Chinese or sometimes Russian press for reference, but the focus is overwhelmingly still on western sources because you can find a lot of useful information even in spite of the author's intentions much of the time, and no one is using some Chinese NGO as a fucking measuring stick for what source is objective and what isn't (and Russian media is automatically criticized, but that is an aside).
federation is kind of the new thing and being mean to libs is flavor of the week at the moment. people will get bored of it after a bit and we'll go back to our normal posting.
a community centered around hating on others
It's more of a community centered around catharsis and commiseration, and occasionally changing people's minds who are open to it, but go off
Edit: oh yeah and comradeliness ofc
From what I've seen, there's no real difference between lemmy.ml, lemm.ee, and lemmy.world. They're all the same attempt at trying to be a Reddit clone with the same Reddit defaults as comms. If you merge all three instances together and merge the comms that they share, they would be absolutely zero difference. I guess lemmy.ml is lemm.ee with socialist characteristics while lemmy.world is lemm.ee with fascist characteristics. To me, the biggest difference between those instances is how they see us and whether they are federated with us.
There are definite differences.
Lemmy.ml has moderation that's closer to the moderation here but without kicking people out for being libs. Hate is well moderated.
Lemm.ee is the closest to emulating reddit while remaining a real form of politically neutral. Hate is well moderated.
lemmy.world is emulating reddit, including its censorship of the left. Hate is badly moderated. Reports of actual transphobia go ignored.
Your "characteristics" assessment isn't really that far off though. I am an advocate of lemm.ee and would prefer for it to become the largest. Lemmy.ml will become leftist in the longterm in my opinion, Hexbear influence is now very significant on it.
It's just a lot of thoughts going through my head since federation. I feel like there's going to be one Reddit clone that will absorb members from all the other would-be clones. Most people will choose the largest Reddit clone by default, which will snowball until there's only one clone left. Right now, the favored Reddit clone is lemmy.world, but the admins are apparently paranoid about us creating wrecker alts to ruin their shitty instance, so that could be a source of instability. I agree about lemmy.ml. For lemm.me, I've noticed a lot of banned users come from that instance and it feels like we get the most pushback from them. I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually defederate from us, at which point lemmy.world would just completely absorb lemm.me's users. From the perspective of an incredulous lib who doesn't understand fascism even when it's biting them in the ass, the only difference between lemm.me and lemmy.world is one instance federates with Hexbear while the other one doesn't and once the instance that federates with Hexbear no longer does so, lemm.me just becomes a smaller lemmy.world. I dunno, it's just a thought I have.
As an aside, here's an interesting thread in beehaw about whether they should just defederate. I think most people have predicted beehaw would eventually wither away, but I didn't expect the process to happen this fast. It's also very interesting how even the libs at beehaw recognize some of the flaws of Reddit (they've taken out downvotes like us for largely the same reasons). They at least understand that trying to recreate Reddit when Reddit already exists is a terrible idea. However, being libs, they are hampered by having a terrible intellectual framework. They also have a huge civility fetish such as some loser in that same thread shamelessly admitting they would deal with a transphobe than some angry person.
Liberals actually went along with Fukuyama's "you will pay for your identity markers and you will like it" smugposting. It's probably a part of why they tend to have walls of Funko Pops and need to tell you about the specific craft beer they sip while writing editorials. 
they tend to have walls of Funko Pops and need to tell you about the specific craft beer they sip while writing editorials.
I hate how this isn't even a contrived stereotype anymore. Have literally met these types and it's all they have to justify their "everyone's experience is unique!" slogans
Liberals disputing vote counts when it doesn't go their way? I swear I've seen this before, but usually in the global south.
They're conditioned to and glorify negativity, is what it is. I get downvoted for the most innocuous shit when I post or comment in self-proclaimed "liberal" instances.
I've been commenting frequently on y'alls posts since you federated. I've not received a single downvote here. Not one.
They find even-keeledness and agreeability sinister. That says a lot.
I've not received a single downvote here. Not one.
...we, uh, disabled downvotes a long time ago... Don't worry, downvotes are clearly expressed in words or images should that be needed lol. Welcome, though!
it basically forces people to explain why they disagree instead of bandwagoning like on places with downvotes
or at the very least have to 
a person, which gives them a chance to respond, unlike anonymous downvotes
i like how they think the fking Chinese or Russian Cyberinfluence division or whatever would spend any time or effort on a fking site that has 1000 active users at most
Many years ago, before I had even discovered /r/chapotraphouse, I used to post on /r/geopolitics. Of course as you can imagine the self-important nerds there would accuse people left and right of being Chinese/Russian bots. I once asked why the fuck the MSS or FSB or whatever would spend their time shitposting on a sub with like a thousand users and they claimed that "real international relations experts post here regularly" and then I got banned.
Worth it.
at least when we were on reddit it made at least a little sense, since you were connected to a larger site
the ironic thing was that user survey on reddit that found the most active city on reddit was some US Airforce base lol
any idea on how i claim my payment from the see see pee? I was promised a substantial payment, however, I have been unable to locate my local secret police station. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Yeah, our FBI guy is holding on by the skin of his teeth. They keep trying to re-assign him to figuring out if ChatGPT is a Marxist. Ted, if you're reading this, we're pulling for you bro. We're always here if you need us!
Plot-twist: it's actually the the North Korean Cyberintelligence division who are making use of Juche divination to see the future and the revolutionary importance of Hexbear.
"Its weird that people in a particualar environment might like what others in that specific ecosystem have to say"
Three Hexbear users preparing to upvote each other's posts, circa 2023 (recolourised)
If we're only averaging ~10 up votes then more people need to sort active/all and join the protracted people's war.
It's like we have a whole new side quest option now.
Mostly Normal Hexbear Time : Local Hot
Dunkerinos Extravaganza : All Active
1.2k upvotes on a post with 3.5 comments: looks legit.
35 comments from 35 users with 35 upvotes on average: PROPAGANDA BOT FARM!!111
It's actually really nice seeing these high numbers. It feels like Lemmy is getting a lot of traffic and is really active! It's just a shame that in its current state, the smaller communities get buried and are basically invisible to the front page.
Until the libs convince themselves that we are backed by Chinese/Russian upvote farms
...actually it might be fun to help this theory along 
OK, fuck, we need a new set of standards for intra-fediverse dunking. If we carry on as is, a lot of instances are gonna cut us off, justifying it with accusations of brigading and vote manipulation. Aaand... that's kinda a pretty valid reason.
Now, you might be thinking, "Well, they're gonna cut us off anyway, so what?" Yes. For some instances, they'll just be looking for an excuse to do what they wanted to do anyway. But. Some instances, that otherwise wouldn't, will probably follow suit with the good reason. We shouldn't just hand them that good reason. So, we need to be respectful and polite. How so? Well,
B ...if you see a particularly dunk-worthy post, take a screenshot of it. You probably wanna check how your programme and/or operating system handles that and scrub any pesky meta-data out of it as need be. While you’re at it, edit: just be carefull about metadata, nevermind the other bitCOVER THE USERNAMES. Yours and theirs. Dunking is all well and good, but shaming makes hard feelings and resentment. We don’t want to shame our neighbors, we want to have a dialog with them.
Yeah, probably. Though, we shouldn't fertilize any grudges. Let them grow naturally, and they'll be all the sweeter for it.
I hate to be the one to say it, but this is the way these things 'naturally grow'. Hell, we only pinged other users in r/cth and if they showed up we'd dunk on them and that was still called brigading.
Attempting to differentiate between when someone stumbles upon something and posts it to the_dunk_tank or if they stumble upon it 'organically' is a fool's game. They are both organic forum posting processes. It is just that one is 'approved' and one is 'forbidden' for arbitrary reasons (in general it is caused by lax moderation standards, which if you are on top of make it easy to deal with actual posting brigades).
Also, complaining about upvotes is the most lame-ass thing I can imagine. Oh noes, my opinion isn't popular?!? Better become a psycho about it.
Edit: also if you posted at all in r/cth, no matter the ratio of posts there (I migrated over there after years of reddit posting) you would be called a cth bot or shill or whatever the insult of the day was if you posted outside of it, eventually leaving you posting to r/cth and it's derivatives because it was the only place you could have any kind of productive conversation, as unproductive as it mostly was.
Attempting to differentiate between when someone stumbles upon something and posts it to the_dunk_tank or if they stumble upon it 'organically' is a fool's game. They are both organic forum posting processes. It is just that one is 'approved' and one is 'forbidden' for arbitrary reasons
it's very easy to differentiate when you can go to hexbear.net and see a link posted. This is a website; everything in the construction and interface is arbitrary -- what matters is how it makes users feel. If too many users feel that it's unfair, that we're not acting in good faith, they'll want us out.
in general it is caused by lax moderation standards, which if you are on top of make it easy to deal with actual posting brigades
we shouldn't be the cause of more stress and work for neighbor moderators.
They will feel like it's unfair if we don't bow and scrape to their shitty, poorly thought out, opinions. That is not an 'us' problem. If they feel it's unfair, they should dogpile us. It should be easy, they have way more users than us. Except they can't, because our moderation team is actually good at what they do (arguably too good as in the beginning they were deleting stuff from very confused libs wandering through here rather than letting us shit on then).
Us posting doesn't cause them stress, their own community constantly complaining about us posting is what is causing them stress, which again, they will do regardless of what we post or how we post it. I'm not suggesting we go in and ppb and 'hog out' on every bad opinion, but we are allowed to express ourselves according to their rules. As I've said multiple times federation or de-federation doesn't matter to me, as in general I will not be leaving this instance, as there is very little point, but moral patronizing forum etiquette is incredibly reddit behavior. If you want to post there forever, make another account.
I'm just doing my part!
do you accept himbos and bimbos
Comrades stick together
等等，你们发工资了吗?
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