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Zelensky: Ukraine draft age lowered because younger generation fit, tech-savvy

Zelensky: Draft age lowered because younger generation fit, tech-savvy

https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-draft-age-lowered/

Ukraine's military needs younger men not only because they are physically fitter than older men but also because they can master technology used on the battlefield faster, President Volodymyr Zelensky told French YouTuber Hugo Travers in an interview published on April 21.

Zelensky: Draft age lowered because younger generation fit, tech-savvy

57 comments

lechatron

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Zelensky signed several laws on mobilization on April 2, one of which lowered the minimum age of compulsory military service from 27 to 25, making men eligible for the draft from age 25.

The current draft age in the USA is 18-25.

glimse

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Can't wait to hear ill-informed critics explain how evil Zelenskyy is for sending children to war

Woozythebear

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He's evil for sending people to war who don't want to go.

redlue

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EmpathicVagrant

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Meanwhile isn’t the US drafting at 18+ also?

glimse

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Yes, it's 18 here.

I was a bit worried when I saw the headline for that reason. I forgot the US is an outlier with being perfectly OK with sending kids to war before they can legally drink alcohol

pingveno

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It used to be that the draft age was lower than the voting age in many states. There was a constitutional amendment during the US-Vietnam War to drop the voting age to 18 because if you're old enough to be forced to fight in a war, you're old enough to have a say in the war.

EmpathicVagrant

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Used to be if you could go to war you could drink on base, but they took that away years ago.

5in1k

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They can but haven’t since the Vietnam war.

EmpathicVagrant

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Ah so our active age is what, like 20, 21?

redlue

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TheAnonymouseJoker

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TranscendentalEmpire

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Lol, It's crazy that people have been misusing terms like Zionist and Nazi so frequently that they've lost their inherent meaning.

How exactly does one become both a Zionist and a Nazi?

You're so propagandized that you are conflating two opposing ideologies.

PowerCrazy

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Can't wait to hear your amazing logic about how nazism and zionism are incompatible.

TranscendentalEmpire

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Well.... The former is fascist state that expanded its holdings by specifically targeting the latter.

Aspects of Zionism (especially modern) can empower a fascist government, however Zionism as a whole started as a response to European racism.

You can only equate the two as the same if you ignore everything up until the 20th century.

PowerCrazy

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What if I look at the theocratic ethno state that exists right now and listen to their leaders openly discuss how they must secure the existence of their people and a future for their jewish children by committing genocide? Cause the seems pretty nazi-like to me.

TranscendentalEmpire

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Cause the seems pretty nazi-like to me.

Again, highly reductive.

You can claim that modern Israel is a fascist state, and that fascist states behave in similar ways. However, just calling it Nazism ignores the working history of both political ideologies.

The whole point is that for one to equate Zionism to Nazism requires you to ignore decades of historical context. Furthermore, equating Ukraine to a Nazi state ignores the fact that the vast majority (up to 7 million) Ukrainians fought for the Soviet Union in WW2 against the Nazi.

humbletightband

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Zionism is about Jews having land. I wonder, who wanted to give Jews Madagascar? 😲

TranscendentalEmpire

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Zionism is about Jews having land.

Again, highly reductive. This is minimalizing the hundreds of years of pogroms across Europe and Asia the Jews endured, resulting in the inception of Zionism in the 1800s.

I wonder, who wanted to give Jews Madagascar? 😲

Did you not read? I told you it was one of the Nazi schemes to answer "the Jewish problem" while stealing their wealth to redistribute among party members.

I'm not saying you can't correctly compare aspects of Zionism to Nazi Fascism. I'm saying that you can't equate the two to be the same thing.

Zionism's popularity among Jewish communities in Europe didn't become popular until the rise of Nazism in Germany. It didn't become popular in Asia until the Soviets began forced deportations after the doctor's plot.

Ignoring the actual historical context, just logically it's full of internal contradictions. If Zionism predates Nazism by a hundred years, wouldn't they be the ones who invented fascism?

You are accidentally supporting actual Nazi propaganda about the Zionist intentions for turning Germany into their new homeland.

Again, I'm not saying that I support Zionism, I don't even support fucking borders. It's just that if we continue utilizing Nazism for every argument, it loses it inherent meaning, thus giving cover to actual practicing Nazis.

I do however think it's important to discus how fascist governments create fascist governments. It's actually something Hitler and mousseline talked about, that to fight against fascism a governments only response is to become more militaristic, and thus more fascist.

LoveSausage

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Nazism is a secular form of fascism , Zionism is a form of theocratic fascism. Biggest funders of Zionism was the third reich

TranscendentalEmpire

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Nazism is a secular form of fascism , Zionism is a form of theocratic fascism.

Both of these claims are highly reductive.... Claiming Nazism was secular ignores the complicity of the church's role in the Nazi party and the Holocaust.

Zionism isn't a form of fascism, though it can be supported by a fascist government.

Biggest funders of Zionism was the third reich

Zionism has been a thing since the 19th century and continues into the 21st century, the third Reich only lasted 20 years...... No the third reich was not the largest funder of the Zionist movement.

Not all bad geopolitical events can be defined as fascist.

LoveSausage

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Claiming Nazism was secular ignores the complicity of the church's role in the Nazi party and the Holocaust.

No it doesn't. Fascism as definition uses what suits them best and what's give them power, they are opportunists. The church was a good way for them.

Zionism isn't a form of fascism, though it can be supported by a fascist government.

Hard to be nice colonialists though.

Biggest funders of Zionism was the third reich

Zionism has been a thing since the 19th century and continues into the 21st century, the third Reich only lasted 20 years...... No the third reich was not the largest funder of the Zionist movement.

Ok , if you like to split hairs, biggest funders of the state of Israel and it's colonies at its formation.

Not all bad geopolitical events can be defined as fascist.

True only the fascists ones.

Google generic fascism. And nazi support for Israel.

TranscendentalEmpire

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No it doesn't. Fascism as definition uses what suits them best and what's give them power, they are opportunists. The church was a good way for them.

Lol, no true Scott's man for secularism?

Hard to be nice colonialists though.

Again, are all forms of colonialism fascist......?

Ok , if you like to split hairs, biggest funders of the state of Israel and it's colonies at its formation.

Splitting hairs? The whole point of me saying you're being reductive is that you are ignoring large swaths of historical context.

biggest funders of the state of Israel and it's colonies at its formation.

Israel was formed in 1948, three years after the fall of the Nazi party......

The largest state contributor during the formation of Israel was Britain. They were in control of Palestine at the end of the war, not Germany.

I think you are recalling the Nazis "attempt" to relocate Jews to places outside Europe, including places like Palestine and Madagascar . The Nazi made several schemes to deport "willing" Jews prior to WW2, in reality they were just schemes to seize assets before the Jews left the country.

Google generic fascism. And nazi support for Israel.

Perhaps read more material about Haavaar agreement than a quick Google search?

The Germans weren't funding Zionism, the Jews being forced to leave the country were, and the vast majority of property seized from the Jews never made it to Palestine.

redlue

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TranscendentalEmpire

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you people found your angle to attack rhetoric you don't like.

People who don't ignore historical context?

comparing Zionists to Nazis is based on their nationalism and commitment to oppression and genocide.

Again, reductive. Based on your own criteria basically every powerful nation today can be accused of being a Nazis.

By that criteria the Han were Nazis when they overthrew the Manchus, the American governments were Nazi when they expanded west. When you lose definitional context, all of history and it's lessons begin to become opaque.

By just saying any act of colonialism or ethnic violence gets lumped in as Nazism, it redirects the blame from those who committed the acts to generalized ideologies that you associate with the third Reich.

ModsSuckMyFeetAndAsss

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glimse

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My "woke mind" lmao

GarbageShoot

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In fairness, the US isn't drafting people, let alone consigning draftees to certain death like Zelensky here is doing. It's probably my prejudice from the US draft age, but I'm surprised the minimum is so high still in Ukraine considering how desperate they are to field more men.

Obviously the US consigns plenty of people to certain death, but not by drafting them.

lechatron

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I was just kind of shocked that their conscription age was so high considering the US draft age ends at their new low end. When I first read the headline I assumed they were going to start drafting 16 year olds.

GarbageShoot

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Me too, but I'd guess that it's because Ukraine is a somewhat younger country, since the US stopped using the draft in '73, about two decades before the current Ukrainian government was established, so they are operating on very different standards. Just a guess, though.

wewbull

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WW2 left the Soviet Union without a generation of men which led to all kinds of problems after the war. It's a lesson hard learnt. Your men need to breed before they go to war and die. Ukraine knows this and hence they keep the draft age higher.

5in1k

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Their demographics are fucked and the largest group of men are middle aged. Weird population age densities were caused by all the bad living in the 90’s.

RokAlamSeth

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daydrinkingchickadee

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Can we please stop making people fight if they don't want to?

Ultragigagigantic

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I recommend we force our leaders to fight to the death since they believe in the war so much and think its so necessary.

RobotJoxx here we come!

shneancy

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I'm sure Zelensky would agree in a heartbeat to defend Ukraine in a 1v1. But getting the coward Putin to do that? No way in hell that'd happen

jmbmkn

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Why stop there. Can we stop letting people fight even if they want to?

redlue

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muad_dibber

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props to @EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net

redlue

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ShimmeringKoi

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Jesus fucking christ agony-deep

CluckN

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As an ill-informed critic, this explains how evil Zelenskyy is for sending children to war

Foreigner

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So many people being "wooshed" by this comment

ISOmorph

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RokAlamSeth

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As a bot spotter this is a totally legit person

livus

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ISOmorph

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He's making a joke in referrence to the first response under the top comment. Not everything needs an /s

Omega_Haxors

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He could scoop random people off the street to die for a doomed war and you mfers would still support him.

cordlesslamp

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He lowered the minimum age from 27 to 25. What a monster.

It's not like his country is at war or at risk of being invaded by one of the world's biggest military power or anything, right?

frauddogg

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How long will it take before the age ratchets down again? And then further? And then further? I give it another two years-- if those nazis can even last that long-- before Zelensky's pushing teenagers into the meat grinder. And he won't think twice. The people controlling him would do for him the same way if he did.

DrRatso

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Careful, might slip down that slope.

frauddogg

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Giving fascists any kind of leeway in the first place is exactly how you get genocides. The kinds of things you people just can't get enough of til you get the receipt for it.

DrRatso

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Ah yes, the perfectly straightline route from lowering conscription age (to an unreasonable 25 years !!!1!1!111) to genocide. No slopes involved.

frauddogg

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Okay, you're being deliberately dense considering Ukraine's already committed two verifiable genocides(Donetsk, Luhansk)-- which makes you a denier at best and a collaborator at worst; so get out my inbox thanks

DrRatso

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The genocidal act of checks notes defending your country against a foreign invader.

If only we had an international institution to deal with such claims 🧐.

Omega_Haxors

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I wish all draft supporters a very die in a war they don't agree with

kandoh

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Why doesn't everyone just give up, like you do?

Are they stupid?!

yogthos

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Why give up when you can send other people to die for you right? Not like your ass is on the line, it's just other people dying while you shitpost here.

kandoh

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yogthos

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go sign up for the foreign legion scumbag

RokAlamSeth

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Clown clown Yes papa Committing war crimes No papa