How bike lanes sidelined cyclists: unearthing 190 miles of 1930s cycle lanes
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The explanations provided in this article are the same stupid fucking reasons it’s next to impossible and dangerous to ride a bike in America.
No, a bike is not a car and it should not be treated like one.
No, no one I know wants to hop on a bike and share the same lane as a semi truck or teenager in a lifted truck texting on a phone.
Having a bike lane (preferably separate from the main road) where there is at least some breathing room is the only way most people would even consider it. God forbid you should fall off or crash, you don’t risk losing your life over something that would otherwise be a scraped knee.
GTFO with your bikes are cars bull shit.
It's going to take several generations to remove the shit stain of "vehicular cycling" that John Forester has left behind
If you wouldn't trust your child to safely bike the lane, the lane is unsafe for any cyclist is how I like to look at it.
Yes, a bike is a car and should be treated like one. I'm tired of assholes like you yelling 'get off the road' or telling me to endanger pedestrians by riding in the sidewalk or mixed use trail or the door lane or the bicycle gutter.
What we need is normal roads with barriers blocking off cars from entering.
Bikes are cars. Treat us like them.
What we need is normal roads with barriers blocking off cars from entering.
Bikes are cars.
So pedestrians only on these roads? Like a sidewalk?
Or are you saying bikes should be treated JUST like cars, except better, with routes that exclude cars?
It sounds like what you want is separated, protected, raised bicycle lanes.
And I'm no fan of rising on the sidewalks, but cycling is literally one of the uses for a mixed use trail.
delirious_owl is being pretty inflammatory but they make a good point.
All too often a supposed "bike lane" is just built to a worse standard than parallel car lanes. It will have a worse road surface, sharp bends, confusing and long routing, less priority at intersections and traffic lights. Car lanes are the default and bike lanes are squeezed in as an afterthought.
This needs to change, bike lanes should be built to the same or higher standard as roads(although typically bike lanes can be much narrower). Multi lane bike motorways need to be buldozed through neighborhoods. An easy way to do this is just take part or all of an existing road and make it bike only.
Please no more bulldozing neighbourhoods. Bike lanes would be far easier to accomodate in a neighbourhood than a 6+ lane freeway was.
What I'm saying is that in the eyes of the law, bicycles are the same as cars. Bikes belong on roads that are built for vehicular traffic.
I don't want a different type of narrow trail that's raised and windy with roots and trash. I want to use roads that are built to spec for cars. Fortunately, we already have plenty of them. The only problem is that cars are using them too.
If you want to make the road safer for bicycles, then ban vehicles with motors from half the roads. Like NYC and Berkeley have done.
If you don't want to ban cars, then paint a big green stripe down the middle of the furthest right lane with a picture of a bicycle to make it clear to cars that that is the lane for bicycles and cars should pass bicycles in the passing lane. Like what Oakland has done.
Bikes belong on roads that are built for vehicular traffic.
Bikes belong on roads that are built for bikes.
https://roadswerenotbuiltforcars.com
Roads existed before cars & it was cycling organisations that campaigned to have them tarmacked & sealed for everyone's benefit
Pavements were not built for vehicles yet in the UK over 350 people are killed or seriously injured by vehicles mounting it.
Roads for cars are built almost exclussively for just cars. Its half the reason this community even exists. Roads speced for bikes wouldn't need to tolerate nearly as much weight nor would they need to be as wide as car lanes. Many intersections would also be served with yields rather than traffic lights as most bike traffic can negotiate intersections easily.
That type of logic is why I prefer roads to bike trails.
Motorcycles need the full width of a road, so do bicycles. When engineers lower the specs for bicycles, they are thinking of a child riding 5 kph on a Sunday rec ride, but we need roads designed for cargo bikes hauling a weeks worth of groceries or rebar and cement down hill at 40 kph.
When you make the lanes smaller or don't clean the land of debris or permit sharper turns, you endanger the lives of cyclists. That's not OK. Cyclists are vehicles and our roads should meet the same specs as all roads.
I have. And on the Autobahn in Germany.
They need to put a green stripe in the right most lanes and say that cars are not allowed in that lane, except for exiting. With extreme speed restrictions.
They ride thousands of electric scooters on the sidewalks in China daily and rarely does anyone ever get hurt. Maybe you just suck ass at riding.
Jesus they don't need to spend 100,000 pounds. Just block every other road to cars and you'll have a perfect happy medium between car roads and bicycle roads.
Bikes aren't pedestrians and shouldn't share any aspect of public space with them. I don't care beyond that. Additionally if a biker ever complains about pedestrians being "in the bike lane," the biker should be jailed, their bike impounded, and be forced to ride one of those 1800's Big wheel bikes.
I share space with pedestrians every day on multi use paths. I think bikes and pedestrians are perfectly compatible.
It's really just the cars that don't seem compatible with anything else...
It's an entitlement issue. I obviously want cars gone, at the very least from within urban cores, but ideally everywhere. But bikes also share the same issues as car-brained folks. Where they think that because they are a bike and that is better then a car, they should have priority over pedestrians and it's up to the pedestrians to make sure they aren't in the "bike lanes," etc etc.
It's important to codify that bikes only exist because of a courtesy, but much like cars, they do not hold any status above pedestrians, even if the citizenry has ceded a specific space for them.
No that's fucking stupid. If pedestrians are in the bike lane they shouldn't even be outside and its a mystery how they didn't die in childhood by walking out in the middle of a highway before that. Get off the phone or get off the drugs or something. Just like cars shouldn't be on the sidewalk or the bike lane. Everyone stays in their own lane and pays attention.
While I'm at it, your mom should be impounded and she is a big wheel bike.