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Is Victoria 3 a Marxist simulator?

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https://www.reddit.com/r/victoria3/comments/1bw200o/is_victoria_3_a_marxist_simulator/

I prefers the term of Dialectical Materialism simulator.

It’s a fantasy game for closet commies, as HOI IV is for closet Nazis or Wehraboos in the end

I'm not bothering to read much of this(500 comments?), but after a few minutes quick glance its the usual fairly above average positive response as usual.

I wonder if it is because with the game becoming less popular again most of the mainstream is gone already.

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ComradeRat

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Sorta. It's very materialist. It treats economics as the foundation of historical development. Interest groups attract people based primarily on material concerns. Classes hence struggle against each other (afaik without scripting) and create alliances with other classes and do revolutions. What its really missing imo is the environmental aspect to be truly 'marxist' tho (the 19th century is when concerns about "what happens when we run out of fertiliser/trees/fish/etc" started really growing as a result of unprecedented extractivism, and these are recurring concerns in Capital)

I wonder if it is because with the game becoming less popular again

A lotta the reason people keep talking about marxism in vicky3 is because the devs of vicky3 outright said they uesed some of Marx's economic theories because it makes for good game design.

Also something something reality has a marxist bias.

BynarsAreOk

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Yes but I also mean more in general you'd certainly expect a lot more bashing of AES or "If Marx good why China bad?" kind of nonsense. The ability for redditors to stay on a topic and not use that to push a narrative these days, its rare. In fact literaly only a single comment mentions China in a neutral tone.

What_Religion_R_They

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China has been decoupled in western minds from communism. The only communism for westerners to be found in China is "authoritarianism", whereas the comments there are talking about economy first and foremost.

EnsignRedshirt

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It’s really funny occasionally reading a post where someone is like “communism is OP in Victoria 3”. Oh, word?

RyanGosling

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Marxist methodologies are commonly used in social sciences. When conservatives screech about Marxist propaganda in schools, I wonder how much of them are actually aware that yes, an entire academic field utilizes Marx’s theories on an everyday basis, or if it’s just vibes that coincidentally lined up with reality to a degree

What_Religion_R_They

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When I was first learning about Marxism, I noticed the ideas that many talking points spawned from. It does seem like a lot of these talking points were drafted by someone intimately familiar with Marxism who deliberately set out to distort them... which is extremely likely what actually happened.

TreadOnMe

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It's almost as if, instead of a footnote as most liberal academics would like to have you think, acceptance or rejection of Marxism (or aspects of it) is THE defining philosophy of the 20th and 21st century. It is almost as if every other modern social science was spawned from either trying to verify, disprove or create an alternative framework to avoid dealing with marxism.

RyanGosling

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Mark Millie testified that he was required to read Mao “Tse Tung” (not Zedong, as commonly referred in the west) during his military academy days (the context was that BLM is not a radical communist organization lol).

Trudge

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How much of this is "Economic theory relies on Marx" and how much is "Marx relies on Classical Political Economy which aspects of contemporary economic theory are also based on"?

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charlie

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Classical Political Economy

Really just slamming words together

What_Religion_R_They

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Personally I'm a fan of indie political economy

charlie

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Lmao, bring on the indie worker economy!

I think what they were going for is neo-classical economics, but I don’t want to wade into their kiddie pool with them. Probably peed in it too

roux

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God I wish I could get into this game. I speedran getting kicked out of my own gov like 3 times when I tried to play with a friend and then started a new game in Cuba and made it a few years in but got sidetracked and never made it back to it.

zkrzsz

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I used cheat mod when getting started and pretend like I'm playing in easy mode.

roux

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I never even made it to mods and I'm a mod junkie lol. Which one are you using?

zkrzsz

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2883019620
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2882576273

You can use both together or just the one you like.

roux

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Coolio, grabbed them both. Idk when I will get back to it since I'm currently obsessed with Dyson Sphere Program.

Scarry

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How is that game? Any good?

roux

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It's currently one of my favorite games. So, I may be biased in saying this but it's pretty fucking awesome.

If you are familiar with Factorio, it's basically that on a huge scale. Think Factorio, but 3D, and you can fly from one planet to another. A normal game has 64 stars in a cluster(seed) and you can eventually travel to all of them. Every star has at least 1 planet, but most have 3-5, that you can build factories on. You get full water planets, planets with lava lakes, tropical planets, continental planets with water, sulfur oceans, atmosphere, no atmosphere, etc. You have white and red dwarfs, red giants, F, B, and O type stars, etc. Each seed even has a neutron star and a black hole that each have a planet(super rare ores).

So the game basically starts out very Factorio, If you've plays a factory game, you are good to go for the most part. But the game flips the script once you need 2 specific resources that can't be found on your starter planet. So you have to fly to the other planets in your starter system. Then you get to interplanetary logistics, where you can start shipping things from one solar system to another. This is the trains of the game, and this is when the game opens way up. In the end, you are pulling in resources, and utilizing factories in 7-20 star systems to make science for research and to eventually make an actual Dyson Sphere, which are massive and a testament on just how big this game is thematically.

TL:DR; It's Factorio in space, huge galactic scale, and makes my brain go brrrrrr. The systems are probably simpler than Factorio for the most part.

Oh, and you can "fly" into a black hole. You really can't but you can get close to it and look out and it has a graphical "tunnel" type effect.

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ThomasMuentzner

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yes