We can only hope. But then again, we saw how people act when it comes to those changes. They will try it for a bit but then fall right back and accept the shit they wanted to flee from.
Nah, Firefox is actually a good browser. I’ve switched to Firefox ever since I heard about the upcoming changes and have never wanted to switch back.
i switched to a chromium browser for features that have since been added to firefox. if something serious were to happen, i will gladly switch back over.
He means "if it actually happens/my shit stops working one day" he will switch.
We've been listening to this shit for like 2 years between Manifest V3 and this, I've never had a single difference in ads that entire time on Vivaldi.
It's got baked in features that run lighter than what Firefox would be with the equivalent extensions and plugins, if it stops working then I'll switch. Running Firefox isn't going to stop this from happening, if and when. Only massive user backlash after implementation will solve the issue, same as when Lemmy was created.
I seriously doubt any amount of user backlash will help put the genie back in the bottle, once it's out. And nobody is going to change to the browser that can't access the popular site du jour that now requires WEI attestation to access. If WEI gets rolling it'll be impossible to fight.
That said I totally understand this is almost certainly already lost. Chromium's market share is unassailable and there's no way we can convince enough people to swap off it until there's nothing to swap to. It just sucks to think nothing can be done, so please forgive people like me for trying anyway.
Your version of trying is just shouting at the same group of 2000 people nonstop. Everyone here is already onboard or isn't going to.
I highly doubt everyone is just going to go "oh damn, Brave/Vivaldi/Firefox stopped working, guess I just HAVE to download chrome now."
Like you realize monopoly and antitrust lawsuits are a thing, right? If the ONLY option is Chrome via WEI there will be a lawsuit about fifteen minutes behind it.
It won't be the only option, it'll just be the only practical option because some sites will only support WEI. I see any antitrust case being rejected on those grounds, and on the grounds of other browsers choosing not to support WEI.
On one hand I agree but on the other I feel like ads are a lot more trouble than a new browser to most users so that part might actually work for us. The really sad thing is that all browsers want to support all majore websites and once something like Youtube requires web DRM we basically lost because everyone will add it! :/
Firefox is faster than ever, and I trust Mozilla a fair bit more than Google to not be shady with my data. The switch is painless, and ads these days cover what feels like over half the page.. it's insane.
I run ff on my phone and PC, with all the privacy settings maxed. Ublock also works on Android and makes those trashy BuzzFeed style sites readable.
thank you for posting the image directly on the instance youre using and not on some random website ive never heard about before that still uses http
what is 0x0.st, why doesnt it use https and why cant mlem be used to post pngs and/or jpegs?
It's a FOSS file hosting service, run by @mia@movsw.0x0.st
Also, it does support HTTPS. It's just that, when you upload a file with cURL, it spits out an HTTP link.
Mlem just doesn't yet support uploads.
I know that the jump to chrom was aided by a number of factors, with one of the bigger ones being how fluid technology use was at the time. Everything was new and anything could become number 1.
Still it's so frustrating that when firefox had the memory leak and "took a long time to launch" the web was flooded with complaints and people jumping to chrome and congratulating google on what a modern browser they built.
Meanwhile everytime chrome gets caught with high memory usage, pushing their own web standards, or destroying adblock and a free web as we know it, the internet as a whole shrugs as if there isnt anything that can be done.
Remember Google AMP? And Google was proxying sites that implemented it? That shit would have been so abused if it had reached as critical mass as Chrome
Not gonna lie, unlike just of you guys I don't really care for ad blocking. I pay for YouTube premium and other sites I visit I don't really get bothered by it.
However I'm more disturbed about the overreach this is and the control we're giving to Google or whoever. That's the reason I use Firefox.
Its like a ransom if the stakes were as low as possible. They hold your state of non-annoyance hostage and ask for a negligible amount for it so no one gets emotionally involved in this exchange regardless of whether or not they wanna pay the ransom. Instead of subterfuge or the threat of violence they "get away with it" by nature of being generally inconsequential.
All this to say, seeing as you payed the "ransom", I would personally describe you as more bothered by ads than anyone else. Not a value judgement, just an observation.
In order of least to most bothered by ads, doesn't it make sense to assume
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People who watch ads (unbothered)
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People who install adblockers (somewhat bothered)
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People that pay money to remove ads (extremely bothered)
I've tried firefox in the past. Back and forth I go when google does something dumb but I always go back. This time I think I'll deal with the stuff I don't like for now, or maybe make extensions to fill the voids that I miss desperately.
Been using it since the start of the year, the transition was pretty simple. what don't you like?
I rely on chromes tab groupings. Nothing in Firefox does as good a job, but I'm getting by just fine for now.
Is your solution to Firefox not having proper tab grouping "why do you need tab grouping?" Lol
I don't have a solution, so I'm having a conversation about it.
Don't treat me like I own Firefox and it's my job to convert everyone.
I'm just asking questions, as I haven't personally had many issues. I've had some, but not the ones mentioned by the people here. I feel like people would prefer to have a browser with an ad blocker so I'm interested in what hurdles people are finding that may be stopping them.
Not everything is an argument.
I usually have 30+ tabs grouped around in chrome. I got a lot going on and it helps keep my ADHD in check when I'm trying to work on something.
My version is starred emails in Gmail and folders full of bookmarks instead 😅
I hope they integrate a tab grouping functionality for you tab hoarders soon!
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15 years ago, Firefox would cause my desktop computer to spin up its really loud fan once or twice an hour. It was a room away from my bedroom, but it was enough to wake up my (now) wife, who was angry, but unable to identify the source of the noise. That lasted for a few weeks before I noticed it during the day. When I switched to Chrome, it stopped.
It's totally unreasonable, but it's enough to keep me off Firefox. I'm sure both browsers have been rewritten multiple times since then.
Well, it was, until the whole "web integrity thing".
Yeah. That does sound unreasonable haha.
I used to use Firefox before chrome released. It used to be the best, but chrome took the crown after Firefox became a memory eater.
Now chrome is being all iTunes walled garden, and Firefox also recently overtook it in terms of speed.
I installed it alongside my trusty chrome install, played around with extensions(or add-ons) until the experience mostly matched, and switched over once I was satisfied.
Chrome's still installed if I need it, but I haven't needed it!
It's worth a go at least!
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Yes. This. Chrome’s multi-profile mode is perfect. Firefox’s about:profile bullshit is just awful.
Im still FireFox only, but I would love to see some improvement in this area.
Agreed - they really just need to roll the 'Profile Switcher for Firefox' extension into base functionality - and this would have the benefit of not requiring an additional install to work.
Ads are annoying yes, but I can understand why they're there. And for ones that you just scroll by, it's nbd, really.
It's the ones that don't scroll past and just cover a chunk of screen til you manually close them that should never be allowed in any context, ever, at all. I don't care if the advertiser is paying me in free hourly blowjobs, forcing me to make an extra click is unforgivable in any circumstance. Especially on mobile pages, where they tend to stack up, or decide that your "close" click is actually a "take me to your offer, please" click, if it even counts at all. Or I guess I mean tap.
Who the fuck using chrome anyway? It was good while it was lightweight, but it quickly got fat.
Pretty much every Windows and Android user. At my school Chrome is the standard, so I ended up taking in Phyrox on a stick until I could start bringing my own hardware.
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I just tried Firefox: Startup took around 40 seconds, UI was not responsive at all, and I couldn’t install locally developed extensions.
Ubuntu ships Firefox as a snap now so you have to get it from outside of the repo if you want it to be normal.
There's a few suggestions about debugging it in Fedora, you should be able to replicate most of them. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Firefox_problems
i also use arch and firefox/mullvad browser do take a lot longer to launch than normal. my problem could be some dependency missing (ive already got problems with video codecs i have no idea how to fix) or a broken swap partition. So, does reinstalling firefox help? and do you have a swap part? if yes, how big did yoy make it?
40 seconds? I’ve never experienced that with Firefox at all. You’re either being hyperbolic or have an ancient computer. I have a Samsung Windows 10 machine from 2015 that opens Firefox just as quickly as it opens Chrome.
And what about the second time you started it and it didn't need to build a user profile first?
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But I wonder, why. No other application behaves like this. Even heavyweights like Kdenlive start up within 2-3 seconds.
Unfortunately Firefox does not print anything out on command line so I have no way to debug this.
40 seconds to boot? I've never experienced this even on my 20 years old potatoe. I find that very hard to believe.
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40 seconds startup?! What? Should open within like 2-3 Seconds. 5 if your system RAM is maxing out.
Abou locally developed extensions, you will need to follow the specific developer directions on that. But if you code, you should've figured that out already. If not, you tried doing shady things, which Firefox rightfully blocked.
I also experienced this, and immediately after a reinstall, Firefox decided that it didn't like to be reinstalled and bricked my OS. I had to completely reinstall it because the boot section was nowhere to be found, and barely any data was salvageable.
So, even if Chrome is bad, I prefer to use Ungoogled Chromium or other chromium forks that don't nuke my computer than using a browser that has consistently given me extreme problems.