USA is the edgy teen after moving out of the parents house (Europe) and finally doing stuff their own way. Not because it is practical, but because they feel rebellious.
20% of the population in 1776 were slaves who came from Africa. There are more countries outside Europe
Oh, these were definitely not the people who decided how to handle/name/format stuff, sadly...
Date Formats:
Aug 9, 2023
9 Aug, 2023
8/9/2023 US
9/8/2023 GB
2023/8/9
Correct Date Formats:
9 AUG, Juche 112 ✅
Majority of the world uses YYYY-MM-DD. Day 1st makes no sense. If you need the month or year it should come 1st. You need to zoom into what you need not select from any number of months with the same day. That would be like putting time with seconds 1st.
Not really, most countries use YYYY-MM-DD to save documents, photos or archive papers.
DD-MM-YYYY is for daily usage.
I like it for reading and using the date day to day
But yyy-mm-dd is best for sorting and archiving files
People rarely use them in real life, but ISO 8601 and RFC 3339 (both are almost identical) are the most natural ways of writing date and time. Just like how we write numbers, their components are written from left to right in the decreasing order of significance: yyyy-mm-ddTHH:MM:SS. I like it by default for precisely the reason you mentioned - sorting. It even helps quick visual comparisons.
Because you are able to read the thing that changes most often first. It is more convinient to read from left to right.
If it weren't so ingrained, I would be permanently using YYYY-MM-DD instead of DD/MM/YYYY.
Works great for east Asia, and it sorts!
I'd also like to advocate for using 24 time in speech.
See you at 21 tomorrow :)
Just don't care and use them. People understand them. Maybe they're not used to hearing it, but it doesn't matter. This is what I do and never cam across someone who was so dense that he didn't understand me. I also never had someone tell me that it was strange to do so.
I agree with this because if you were to say the whole thing verbally, you generally start with the day, the month then the year.
"It is the 9th of August in the year of our Lord 2023."
We wouldn't in America in most cases. I'd say it's August 9th 2023. I honestly feel like this is such a dumb argument to have because it doesn't matter except for communication with people who use other methods. Now metric vs imperial makes way more sense to me because the metric system is just so much easier for mathematical conversions.
In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade—which is 1 percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same amount has exactly one mole of atoms in it. Whereas in the American system, the answer to ‘How much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?’ is ‘Go fuck yourself,’ because you can’t directly relate any of those quantities.
I like how Europeans pretend they're all scientific, but then still use seconds, minutes, and hours without thinking twice.
Lmao Europe is not the only place where they use metric (I'm not European).
Seconds are part of the metric system and are the base unit of time. Just because they didn't define it initially doesn't mean it doesn't exist or makes sense. They use milliseconds and kiloseconds; minutes and hours are used for convenience but are not part of the SI
In the USA most people would say “august 9th”, not “the 9th of august”, which is one of the reasons mm/dd/yyyy is the standard format here
Which extrapolated, who the fuck would say “the September of 2024” and not “September, 2024” for example
This is actually often done when trying to be more eloquent or dramatic or add importance, like how Independence day is The 4th of July versus just saying Jily 4th.
Okay but if you sort by name then the file:
08-09-2023.png
is after:
04-12-2023.png
Because everything would be sort after the day number.
ISO 8601 or nothing. Descending order of granularity, keep everything sorted as it should be!
My personal preference is DD-MM-AAAA, but as someone that works with lots of data from different formats and timezones... I have to agree with you...
YYYYMMDD and UTC should be the global default.
Tell me more? I can look it up but I'm curious if anybody ever got problems from using a standard like that
I've said it once and I will say it again:
mkdir -p 2023/{January,February,March,April,May,June,July,August,Septembet,October,November,December}
Warning: not POSIX
Look it's easy, you just wait until the 13th of the month to figure out which format it is. Is 12 days really so much to ask?
Also changing it to periods doesn't avoid confusion about the order. Also pretty sure we fought a whole war over not being like the Germans, so...
It's quite simple really. The order is "small to big". You start with the smallest unit, in this case the day. Then follows the next largest unit, the month, and finally the year. Basically the same as in the top picture, but in reverse order.
Is 08/09/2023 August or September? What about 08.09.2023? Do you see where the problem lies?
No, the second one says "Sept. 8th 2023" and that last panel is obviously British (you can tell by the teeth) /s
I was unaware of this. But it uses the same logic as the British date format so I am okay with it.
He's making a pedantic joke. Lower case m is sometimes used to indicate minutes.
Albeit a weak one since many formats use lowercase m to indicate month. Such as programming languages like python & PHP. IBM & Microsoft standards also use lowercase m and so forth.
Yeah it's a bit mixed bag. Powershell command get-date expects mm for minutes and MM for months, which has messed up my scripts logging few times lol
I did think he might be making a joke but since as you said it would be a weak one I gave him the benifit of the doubt
I swear, a lot of you would have no joy in life if you weren't able to bitch about the stupidest shit.
If you it's the stupidest shit then you never tried to figure out why you can't log in to VPN for 2h just to realize password expired week ago but you looked at the date and thought you still have 3 weeks till expires
Date stamps are stupid, but they're nowhere near as stupid as this attempt to criticize them
If it’s a file I want sorted by date the top is good. If I am talking about a date and spelling it out August the 9th of 2023 makes the most sense and seems natural, and if it’s a personal memo or date label on food I just use 08/09 with the zeros so I know it isn’t a fraction unless it’s frozen or shelf stable for long term storage where the year would be useful to know at which point it becomes 8/9/23
I thought everybody used different date formats based on need.
In UK we always say 9th of August 2023, ie the way our dates are written and i would say is more natural haha. Maybe Americans find it more natural the other way around because your dates are other way around. If you use the date system the uk has maybe it would sound more natural to speak perhaps.
I grew up on RuneScape and BBC programming, so I’ve been exposed to both formats for a long time (really fucked me up in spelling). I couldn’t say why August 9th sounds more natural, but it’s probably because most irl folks around me use it. The 9th of August didn’t sound bad, just more artificial, and it’s probably because my exposure to that spoken out was mostly media and pop culture.
The way I see it, the US just writes it the way it's spoken. "August 9th, 2023" vs. "the 9th of August, 2023".
That also doesn't make a lot of sense though, does it. In my language, the day comes first. Also when spoken.
The first and the last date format are terrible because you can confuse the day of the month with the number of the month.
I only like date formats where it's not possible to confuse any field, like 8 Aug 2023. I minimize ambiguity.
If the date is in a file name, I make an exception using 2023-08-09 such that a string sort is equal to a date sort.
For actually displaying dates to others, I agree that spelling out the month is absolutely preferred. But if space is limited, you're somewhat required to pick a very shortened format, and the US version is dumb, even if that's what you should use when displaying in that locale.
But for working with dates on computers, year-month-day works great, because it's still human readable, is naturally sortable, and makes it easier for serialization.
The first one is conventionally never year-day-month, and if anyone ever sent me a date of 2023-17-08, I would respond with, "What the hell?! Are you being evil on purpose?"