The biggest thing for me with these two which makes KDE the better DE is that with Gnome I have to change the way I work, with KDE I change it to the way I work. That's what it all boils down to for me.
As far as I know there is no intended method for changing the default terminal in Gnome.
100% unacceptable.
The way you work might not be the best way to work. That's kind of the realization I had to have to use GNOME - now using anything else feels like a chore.
Now if we could just find The Best Way To Work Bible (King James Version of course) we could then be told what the best way to work is.
The way you work is largely a personal choice defined by personal preference. You may have found a better way to work, but I’m quite satisfied with the way I work.
:)
Just wanted to agree and add that it's not my DE's job to tell me the best way to work. That's why I use KDE even though I like some things about the GNOME environment. Let me get there in my own time, let me set the things up how I want. My work isn't your work, and your workflow shouldn't be forced onto mine.
GNOME devs care about their vision, KDE devs care about their users. This has been plain since the early days of GNOME 3.
This is so true, even if some people don't want to recognize it. GNOME and their whole design walled garden, also those "dOnT tHemE oUr aPps" fellas. Jesus, isn't that the point of linux? Do whatever the f I want with my OS?
Given how much Apple users love the products, I don't have a big problem with certain parts of the design. My nitpicks are mostly about the walled gardens and proprietary-ness. The seamlessness and the efficiency/functionality of their products deserve admiration (when not combined with corporate greed, of course).
Thats not Gnome. You need to remove the glasses. Hair is not an option. Two eyes, mouth, nose. That's all you get. And you are not allowed to focus on all three, only one at a time can be shown.
I don't know, with Gnome extensions you menage to change anything you'd want to and even more.
Maybe not anything, but the options are there
But I don't want third-party extensions, I want a DE that comes with a first-party system tray
Ok cool thats what you want, fair enough. We, as in Gnome users, don't mind third party extensions for features we want, and that's also fair enough. Every linux user has the option to use whatever DE/WM they want. This freedom is what we fight for.
We, as in the whole linux community have big enough fights outside our community, the last thing we need is quarrels on the inside. "Yes you can use whatever you want do whatever you want", "Ok cool I'm gonna use this then", "NOO YOU HAVE TO USE THIS ARGHHHGH". It's pathetic.
I don't want a DE cluttered with 10k possible options which led to possible unstability. I want a stable DE and the ability to change it exactly how i want it.
The stability of KDE is there, but Gnome is much better. Good that we have the options
Gnome is the fancy rainbow girl but with useful eyes or mouth. While KDE is the other girl, elegant and customizable and could be a more functional rainbow girl if she so chooses.
(This came out really weirdly but maybe y'all got it anyways)
Edit: I actually meant useless but eh.
Yeah I've been using Gnome for a few years and decided to try xfce and kde again, kde kept crashing then reloading and wouldnt save where I put my widgets. And xfce was good but I couldn't get Awesome WM to work and I missed wayland. So back to Gnome I guess
That's weird, for me KDE is rock solid, even with Wayland. GNOME was a resource hog, crashed a couple of times (Debian 12).
Just saying "it was a joke" doesn't make it a good joke. Have no idea what you even meant by it.
I migrated from Kubuntu after 4 years to Debian 12 last month. Default GNOME DE. Yesterday I uninstalled that shit and installed Plasma. GNOME is pretty and shit, but just wasn't for me.
Every time I try GNOME I get very confused about what they're training to achieve. I don't like a lot of basic default settings, a story in itself. But the worst part is that they can only be changed via advanced tooling not installed by default (extensions, GNOME tweak). How is that user friendly?
Completely agree, I understad the power of gnome extensions and why some people love them, but they shouldn't be needed for basic things like showing minimize buttons, tray icons, etc. KDE also has widgets, but those add extra functionality or alternatives to what plasma already has.
I used to use GNOME and modded it heavily to my liking. Because the default gnome feels like it's missing stuff. Now it kinda makes sense why I'm okay with using MacOS and modding it's missing features.
Why does Gnome not have tray icons yet! I really don't get it.
I don't want to use extensions.
yet? They had them like forever and removed them. IIRC the reasoning was that implementation between applications was wildly inconsistent but the situation is far from optimal either way
Yeah, the consensus within the GNOME dev community is that yes, tray icons can be implemented as of right now, but it would lead to very messy systems and most surely lots of technical debt, so the chosen path forward is to wait for a better, unified alternative to arise and then evaluate its implementation in GNOME.
Does anyone actually run their PC just through terminal? I need pretty colors to live
I did back in college. Mobile computing was just becoming a thing but I was way too hipster (and poor) for a PDA or one of those newfangled "smart phone" devices.
I hacked together a wifi SMS texting gadget following a tutorial on Hack a Day. It ran Debian with Linux kernel 2.6 and was so fun to tinker with.
It had 32 MB of RAM but X used 11 MB of that so you couldn't really do anything in graphical mode anyway. A shell running GNU screen however only took 4 MB so it was much more usable from the terminal.
I eventually figured out a way to pipe images and even (non accelerated, since it didn't have a GPU) video from mplayer to write directly into the framebuffer. It was a real bear to get it translated into landscape mode.
I Am Legend in 144p never looked so good.
Even with the terrible specs, I have never loved a phone so much as I loved that little computer
you gotta be atleast twice my age, that entire string of sentences is absurd to me. No GPU? Original I am legend in 144p; absolute hell, why even live. RAM measured in mb?!?!? Wild
Sounds impressive though atleast
Not unless you're really young. I was just a Linux enthusiast and had a tight budget. I think this is the original article that inspired me: https://hackaday.com/2009/09/25/with-zipit-who-needs-a-netbook/
In college when smartphones were new had to be before 2010 and to be in college you are usually 18 ish atleast so at minimum 11 years older than me and I'm 20. Double was certainly generous but I'm drunk so it is what it is.
Out of curiosity what distro do you use these days?
Haha, well you got me there. I did all that when I was your age, in 2009 :P
These days I don't use my personal computer very often so I want a distro that doesn't break when I update it, so I use Debian Stable with XFCE.
I'm not sure what that makes it in terms of OP's meme. Maybe XFCE is the car
When I first started out with Linux, I went full ricemode with Arch. For a while I tried running without X, using tmux heavily and browsing with lynx, only starting a specific X server for games.
You can definitely do it, but especially web browsing is not really feasible. There are tons of curses-like applications like mutt and irssi that work really well, but alas, I ended up going back to i3.
Still heavily riced, though, using Vim hotkeys wherever possible. For browsing, qutebrowser is fucking sweet!
As opposed to CLI, which is specifically command line, yes. The terminal consumes you, relieving you of both the will and necessity that would drive you to use anything else. All of your goals can be accomplished with one weapon: a clicky keyboard.
CUI was me messing up. I meant TUI (text user interface).
The command line interface (CLI) is the original TUI and is always prompt and response. You're prompted for a command, you type it in and then the computer spits out the answer below.
The original CLI were printed on a teletype machine before there were videoterminals. So if your TUI has a real typewriter-kind-of-experience, that's a CLI. So even something like cowsay is CLI.
TUI is a more broadly encompassing term. This includes CLI, but also programs that display text or text like lines all over the screen. The popular library ncurses is generally used to make these programs. Popular examples would be vim, or emacs, or htop, things like that.
A very simple example of a non-CLI TUI program is less. It lets you pipe output of a CLI command into it so that it can be scrolled without using only the screen buffer.
[Edit] "Console" is a pretty unique term. Back when a computer took up an entire room, the console was the table that the computer operator sat at. Some of the earliest WWII era computers, a console might have just had a panel with indicator lights and you primarily interacted with the punchcard interface.
But eventually, the teletype machine or videoterminal sat on the console table. So doing something "at the console" became slang for using CLI and the terms began to be used interchangeably.
And if you want to go deeper into the weeds, there are still console table furniture you can buy for non-computer usages. Basically a console table is a kind of narrow side table you find near a door. Originally most of these tables included front legs made of "consoles" which is an ancient greek corbel (architecture element) that is shaped like a scroll.
This made me think of this great early text that mostly had this situation reversed :
My girl is both, to me haha.
Her family don’t get why I say that. They joke on her and say, “fun? Never heard of it. Now get back to work!”
She’s the most fun person I know though. I absolutely love her company.
They cannot believe that I would even consider calling her “fun”.
All these KDE vs. Gnome discussions. I tried them all in a production environment with smb shares WebDAV, caldav etc. I can use them all the way it is usable. But best working from the ground, without to much hassle, is simply gnome.
If someone is new to Linux I would always lead them to gnome.
Cinnamon is kind of related to Gnome but especially for people comming from Windows Mint is my top recommendation, I prefer Gnome myself tho!
It's like old school Gnome. I can theme it like my work Mac, but have the flexibility of running Ubuntu on my desktop and laptop.
Cinnamon is like classic Gnome but modernized and better. Out of the box, it's more usable than Gnome 3 even with a lot of extensions.
