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Oklahoma police say nonbinary teen's death was not result of injuries from high school fight

https://apnews.com/article/oklahoma-owasso-student-death-nonbinary-nex-04f1c51924860d77877016810bc05762

Police in Oklahoma say a teen who died a day after an altercation at school did not die as a result of injuries sustained in the fight.

Oklahoma police say nonbinary teen's death was not result of injuries from high school fight

Police in Oklahoma say a teen who died a day after an altercation at school did not die as a result of injuries sustained in the fight.

38 comments

SpaceNoodle

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Ah yeah, Oklahoma Police, the most trustworthy investigators

I wonder which officer's kid it was that perpetrated this

Cheems

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They are also all trained well as doctors.

Feathercrown

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That profile picture is evil

Cheems

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😈

CableMonster

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I am fine with not believing the police, but you have provided no reason for me to doubt their report, so until you do it seems accurate.

Maggoty

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Dude. This isn't rocket science. Kid gets beat, dies the next day. Either lightning struck and the kid was always going to die that day or they died because of the beating.

You know what happens when someone you punched in a bar fight dies the next day? 5-15 for manslaughter. Why is this suddenly different?

SparrowRanjitScaur

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MagicShel

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While not impossible, sounds super sus. The beating they took was bad enough to go to the hospital but insufficient to exacerbate any underlying conditions?

FuglyDuck

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FTA:

Although the cause of death has not been determined, Owasso police said in a statement preliminary autopsy results indicate the teen did not die as a result of injuries sustained in the fight.

The problem with this statement is that the coroner probably knows exactly what killed them (bleeding in the brain, for example.) and while the bleeding happened after the fact, was the direct result of that head injury, and there’s more steps to take to be able to say that. (Like ruling out additional injury or something. Maybe they injured themselves fainting the second time.)

The other problem is of course, ACAB.

Cogency

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They died because they were trans. They died just for existing and because they were different and people are afraid of that difference. I don't care what the exact biological mechanism was that killed them. I care that they died as a result of a beating (or because of the emotional trauma of that beating). That should never happen in America for anyone be they black, a woman, or an innocent gender nonconforming child like this.

We are headed to a dark place in American history if we don't fight for trans people and every minority right now.

FuglyDuck

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They died because they were trans.

Agreed.

Though the coroner is concerned with excruciating exactitudes.

Another way to look at it, is, hypothetically some one poisoned someone else. rat poison is horrible. Among other things, it causes kidney failure, brain damage, internal bleeding, damage to other organs; commas. Awful stuff. The coroner is going to note all of that and draw conclusions that kidney failure is the cause of death (or whatever it was. Idunno.)

The coroner's report will say the final cause of death was kidney failure; but will also note the kidney failure itself was caused by rat poison. Actually in this scenario, it's probably something that will get amended because of how god-awful long it'll take to get toxicology reports back. But details.

The problem here is that the cops are running with it saying "OH IT WASN'T THE FIGHT!" when, that's probably not what the actual coroners report really says.

andyburke

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I have a feeling it may be something like fentanyl or another drug, and/or it may have been self-inflicted after the fact because who wants to get beat up for trying to go to the bathroom?

Regardless, horrible people will try to use any excuse to say it wasn't hatred directed at a human being. We all know hatred is how we got here, regardless of the details of this one incident.

FuglyDuck

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I have a feeling it may be something like fentanyl or another drug,

Seriously?

considering the statements are very consistent with severe TBI's... including the delayed collapse... and considering that the hospital would have almost certainly instructed their parents to monitor for ~72 hours (or whatever it is,); it's rather unlikely drugs are the culprit. from my cursory understanding of what happened, the parents seem to be responsible parents. baring prescriptions... it's difficult to see. and it's very dubious that prescriptions would be given that pose so great a risk.

... and/or it may have been self-inflicted after the fact ...

even more victim blaming?

andyburke

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If you think I am blaming the victim you didn't read my comment in the way it was intended.

ABCDE

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Write it better.

andyburke

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I am sorry my support (I don't believe drug use or suicide are moral failings even though they're often used to vilify) has made it so people who I intended to support tell me I am being unhelpful.

I'm sorry there was confusion, but it sucks to get lashed out at when you were trying to support. Makes it feel sometimes like there's no appropriate way to be an ally here.

flipht

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So first off, I'm taking this at face value and want to explain why this might not have read how you intended. Second, I am not trans, so others may have another opinion with more weight, but I want to try to explain so that they may be won't have to do the emotional work of responding.

The trick, for me, is how much space and time you give, and in what order, and how much evidence is available to support it. Your comment began with suppositions and theories, we don't have much (if any) evidence for drugs or self harm, and it's an equal quantity to the good stuff you were saying toward the end.

Could suicide or drugs be a possible cause? Sure. But so could an exotic parasite, or the wrath of God, or someone sneaking into their house and poisoning them. But we don't have any evidence for any of that, and spit balling it as a theory takes away from the concrete facts that we do know: they were assaulted, they sought medical care for the assault, and their condition worsened over the next few days in a way that seems to be related.

treefrog

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Maybe don't lead with your feelings about the victim being on drugs because your aside at the end isn't cutting it.

ULS

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andros_rex

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BreakDecks

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Source on the police helping bomb the Murrah building? I'm aware of Officer Terrance Yeakey's suspicious suicide for possibly "knowing too much", but even his colleagues were saying his death was suspicious, so I thought that conspiracy theory pointed at Federal Government involvement...

andros_rex

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Yes - Yeakey (other things to look into would be Elohim City) OKC PD is split, there are some sane folks. But in OK, it’s most of those that work forces…

BreakDecks

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So no source on that?

andros_rex

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j_roby

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At this time, any further comments on the cause of death are currently pending until toxicology results and other ancillary testing results are received,” the statement says. (Emphasis mine)

Benedict was able to walk out of the bathroom after the Feb. 7 fight but was taken to a hospital by their family and sent home that night. The next day, paramedics were dispatched to the home for a medical emergency and took Benedict to a hospital emergency room, where they later died, police said.

I really hope this doesn't turn out to be self-inflicted... Either that, or that's the angle the officials are hoping to imply in the meantime. This whole thing is so heartbreaking....

JustZ

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SpookyBogMonster

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I keep seeing reports that Nex walked into the living room the next day, complaining of a headache, collapsed, and was rushed to the hospital where they died.

Everything about that, and their initial state, immediately after the fight, are classic head trauma symptoms. If what ultimately killed Nex was something like a subdural hematoma, then I guess you could argue that the death was not directly a result of the trauma? But the causal chain of events is incredibly obvious.

Flumpkin

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No subdural hematoma would certainly be a delayed but direct result of the altercation. It makes little sense, presumably the police is lying / covering it up.

Death_Equity

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Real question, can someone be both transgender and non-binary?

I thought transgender was M or F instead of F or M and non-binary is neither or all of the above.

audiomodder

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Transgender means that the gender you are assigned at birth does not align with the gender you identify as. Generally speaking, non-binary people are considered part of the trans community, but some non-binary choose to not identify as trans.

Source: am non-binary and consider myself trans.

treefrog

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Non-binary, male presenting, male by birth. So I don't identify as trans generally.

I am multiple though. So some of me is more female, some more male, and you know, frogs will switch it up when they need to adapt to the environment.

SpookyBogMonster

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The prefix trans comes from Latin and means "On the far side of" wherever you're currently standing. So transportation takes you from one place to another.

To be transgender, your gender identity, expression, etc. Moves from one gender to another. So that could be in a binary way, from male to female, or vice versa.

Or it could mean you're going from male, to something in the middle, or otherwise not related to the traditional gender binary. You're still trans, you're just moving to a less expected part of the proverbial map.

The word transgender was pushed heavily by Leslie Feinberg, who was nonbinary. They also considered themselves a lesbian, and even transitioned to living as a man for many years in their youth.

I bring this up because I find that cis people, and even some trans people, want to put everything into nice neat little boxes, and queerness has just never worked that way. A term like LGBT implies that each of those letters is a discreet identity box, when in reality, all of these ideas and labels are a complex overlaping series of ven diagrams and umbrella terms.

Source: am Nonbinary and Bisexual.

knightly

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Enby here, I wrestled with that question myself.

In the end I ended up embracing the "trans" label when I started living openly as non-binary because it suddenly felt like it fit. I'm not "cis", because I'm not the gender I was assigned at birth. I've transitioned, which is a trans thing.

From that perspective, I think any enby who was raised with binary gender expectations and subsequently come out of that closet can claim the label, and cis enbies would never have needed to because they'd always have been known as such.

strawberrysocial

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What is enby?

knightly

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Non-binary.

"NB" gets used for "Non-Black" in some contexts, so a lot of non-binary folks contract the term as "enby" rather than the acronym to minimize confusion.

Gloomy

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Yes.

Here is a link to an interview with a non binary transgender person. (Timestamp around 32:00).

By the way, I recommend the whole video, I leaned a lot from it. Turn on captions tough if you'd like to watch it, it's partualy in Dutch, tough the linked section is English.

Edit: The Person interviewed starting at 11:00 Minutes also identifies as non binary trans.

bramblepatchmystery

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Many come out as nonbinary before they come out as trans.

Nonbinary seems to have less a social stigma that I am sure many fins a safe avenue to exolore.

audiomodder

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I’m non-binary. There is still a TON of social stigma around being non-binary. In fact, you’ve stated one of the things here: “non-binary people are just unwilling to fully transition”. I heard the same thing said about bisexual men back in the early 00s, that they were just gay men that refused to accept that fact.

I would say, very seriously, that a lot of especially AMAB non-binary folks face a ton of discrimination both from the cis community and parts of the trans community.

As for me, I’m agender. I’m very comfortable with my identity and have been for years. But I still get people asking “so when are you going to transition or just give it up” as if where I’m at now isn’t where I want to be.

bramblepatchmystery

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Yeah, well, that's a fully invented quote that I never stated nor suggested, so... Cool.

sugarfree

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Wait, did they commit suicide? Really weird turn in this story, hope they release more information.