https://www.euronews.com/2023/08/07/nazi-symbols-and-child-pornography-found-in-german-police-chats
Another group within Germany's security structures has been found to be inclined toward Nazi imagery. Recklinghausen officials are concerned by this incident, the second in recent months.
Weirdly enough, the police is well educated over here. So they can't even claim ignorance.
I hope not being a nazi or a pedo doesn’t require an education for people. That’s just obvious shit to me
Pedophilia is a mental condition, much like homosexuality. They don't choose to be one, they know it's wrong. I bet there are plenty of closeted pedos (i.e. don't act on their urges and trying to lead normal lives). The only difference is that homosexuality occurs between consenting adults, and doesn't hurt anyone except for the sensibilities of some righteous pious {profanity}, while pedos hurt innocent children, which is fucked up.
tl;dr some pedos are (very) bad for acting on their sexual preferences, they aren't bad for having them. Taking this conclusion a bit further - making child porn is obviously abhorrent and one of the most heinous crimes I can imagine along with rape and murder, but watching these movies once they are made without profiting the perpetrators, isn't so morally depraved. Especially if it keeps the urge to rape a child at bay.
Modern psychology says they shouldn’t be consuming those videos, it mentally normalizes to t. They need total abstinence, possibly removal from any source of any temptation, and if need be chemical or physical suppression of their desires.
Additionally homosexuality is a normal variant on human attraction, the full equal to heterosexuality not just culturally but in the eyes of psychology. Pedophilia is now understood to be a deviation in psychosexual development.
Additionally spreading csam in right wing extremist communities isn’t necessarily an expression of desire but at times is done to trauma bond members
And finally the feelings of the victims must be considered. It cannot be safely or reasonably assumed that any significant portion of people would be comfortable with people passing around and masturbating to their childhood sexual exploitation.
There is no safe or healthy outlet for those desires.
It was not long ago that homosexuality was also categorized as deviation in psycho-sexual development. The American Psychiatric Association listed homosexuality in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) in 1952. In 1968, DSM-II also listed homosexuality as a mental disorder. Not until 1987 did homosexuality completely fall out of the DSM. Pedophilia is in the DSM just, as opposed to Homosexuality, because it could possibly cause harm to others - that's the sole distinction.
There were no big studies regarding the effects of consuming child porn, but the little there is seems to suggest it does not exacerbate the condition, or lead to higher probability of a physical offense: https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-244X-9-43
Moreover, child pornography seems to be a protective factor, according to Diamond, Jozifkova and Weis (2010). They examined the number of sexual offenses that took place in Czechoslovakia from the 70’s till the end of 2007. At the end of 1989 the velvet revolution took place; the Czech Republic became a democracy and the prohibition of pornography was lifted. During the next 17 years child pornography was accepted. Initially one would expect that the number of sexually abused children would increase, but Diamond and his colleagues concluded the opposite. During the same 17 years, they found a decrease in the number of cases of sexual abused children. Also in Japan and Denmark child sexual abuse decreased in the period when child pornography was not prohibited.
In fact, there's a suggested investigation for treatment utilizing virtual child porn.
The difference to the US is that these 3 guys got found out, and will most likely go to jail.
True. But at least the Nazi leanings are depressingly common in the German police. And they do get away with a lot of if shit, even if it's not anywhere near as bad as in the US.
The police officers committed these acts while they were still in training as part of their dual bachelor's degree.
Yet this is better than the alternative, it's easier to get rid of them at the earlier stage.
Claim ignorance? How? "I didn't learn in school that neo-nazism and abusing children is frowned upon in society" ?
Ok, you know different cops "over here". In Hannover they're mostly on the simple side, more spoons in the knife drawer, candles in a lamp shop. No boookz, more harassing homeless folks or kicking teenagers. Educa-what? All in all - despicable group of people. That's not an opinion, that's an observation over decades btw. So - it fits and doesn't surprise at all.
Sadly, this is the rule and not the exception. We have a massive problem with racism and right ideology in our police. Power corrupts.
Eh, I don't think "power corrupts" applies mostly in these situations. That would imply these cops weren't racists or pedos until they joined the force and got that power.
In these cases I think it's more that these bad people, racists and pedos, seek out the positions of power that are available to them - law enforcement positions.
But yeah I totally agree law enforcement has a problem of being extremely far right. If it is, which it is known, then people with similar ideologies will flock to those positions even more.
I mean, I get what both of you are saying, but I’d argue that the phrase “power corrupts” still applies here.
It’s a feedback loop of being above the law that feeds into these police gangs (like the one in Texas, I believe, that were called because “two black men are staying with a white woman.” The gang went over and sexually assaulted and then pulled the trigger of a gun they shoved in one of the two guys’ mouth. They literally pulled the “let’s sprinkle a little crack on ‘em and get out of here” move. They said it was a drug deal gone wrong—yes, they planted drugs.)
These guys push each other to test the limits of their power abuse further and further. Just like 4chan users tried to one-up each other’s shocking memes and shit, these groups of cops try to out-“badass” each other.
So I do think that their power plays a part in this. Of course the power didn’t make them racist pedophiles, but—especially in Germany, they got a taste of getting away with things people never get away with, and they explore those things. In Germany, sharing and displaying swastikas is illegal. So, I think the taste of untouchability that comes with being a cop definitely fed into their sharing and espousing these views.
It’s a feedback loop of being above the law that feeds into these police gangs (like the one in Texas, I believe, that were called because “two black men are staying with a white woman.” The gang went over and sexually assaulted and then pulled the trigger of a gun they shoved in one of the two guys’ mouth. They literally pulled the “let’s sprinkle a little crack on ‘em and get out of here” move. They said it was a drug deal gone wrong—yes, they planted drugs.)
That happened in Mississippi, but point taken. I'm also reminded of the rampart scandal in LA where the cops very literally formed a gang, inspiring The Shield.
By the way, those turds pled guilty and will likely be spending the rest of their lives in prison, where they will assuredly have a wonderful time.
U.S. District Judge Tom Lee said the men will be sentenced in mid-November. Dedmon and Elward each face a maximum sentence of 120 years plus life in prison and $2.75 million in fines. Hartfield faces a possible sentence of 80 years and $1.5 million, McAlpin faces 90 years and $1.75 million, Middleton faces 80 years and $1.5 million, and Opdyke could be sentenced to 100 years with a $2 million fine.
Yeah I can agree to say that power corrupts even worse. Or maybe power amplifies the already corrupt.
My only argument was that these types generally don't start out as bright shining stars, then the position of power corrupts. They're probably already bad.
But yeah the power then probably can make it worse.
My biggest question is how the fuck do we fix this? Difficult not to feel hopeless.
I agree on the point that "they are racist/pedo because of the power they receive" is pretty much false in this situation.
But i would say that this is not the only meaning behind "Power corrupts". (What follows is only a personnal opinion, there may be some wrong usage of terms or anything) To me, it also means that power corrupts our ways of thinking : believing in a strong power, even if you do not hold it, tends to makes this power more important than human lives or conditions. Like "Police is important, so it's okay if some peoples get hurt to protect it". In other words, the more you believe in power, the more it may become an end rather than a tool. This is were the corruption is to me.
I think that people get racist because they believe in some kind of great cause that should held power (like Homeland, Historical Background, Race, etc.). Then they consider normal to use power for this cause, even if it is against other people. Maybe it's not the same thing for getting attracted to young people. But doing pedo crimes always involve some power in the very act of it, and to some extent in the decision making that led to it.
To sum it up, imo the hate and weird attraction of those cops basically mean that they think they have, or that they should have, a legitimate power over other people (minorities, kids, etc.). Even if it's not the specific power that they got as cops that corrupted them, it is their belief in power more generally. (and as other said, the power they got as cops probably reinforced all of this, as a vicious circle).
I have to say: it's true despite the fact that many police men are people with migration background.
That doesn't stop them from being racist and right-winged though.
Which is really confusing to me.
danzification went too far
Now I'm thinking of an alternate Germany where Danzig took over after WW2.
Goddamn, I knew I should have opened the phone for that one (I have a fold, I typed that on the skinny front screen). I swear I retyped that word like 4 times lol.
I think my next eu4 campaign might be Tuetons -> Danzig -> Prussia -> Germany now thanks to you.
The label "nazi" just makes it easier to point fingers at them. It's much more true that assholes, racists and fascists are simply everywhere. In every country and every society. We as a society need to do our job and fight for our rights, fight against the uprise of organized egoism.
There are recent examples, where we failed. f.e. russia, afghanistan the list goes on...
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Prosecutors in Germany have uncovered illegal content including Nazi symbols in chat messages involving five officers from three different police districts.
The five men, aged 22 and 25, are suspected to have exchanged Nazi symbols in chats and possessed child pornography during their training, according to Annette Milk, the chief public prosecutor investigating the case.
Nevertheless, the allegations are so serious that after examining each individual case, I immediately banned the three officers from conducting official business," Friederike Zurhausen, the police chief of Recklinghausen, said in a statement.
“Young civil servants, like older ones, must stand up for justice, law and the values of our constitution without a shadow of a doubt,” he continued.
Several far-right terror attacks in 2019 and early 2020 prompted German authorities to warn of escalating extremism, which led to these hate-speech laws being tightened last year.
According to the latest ministry information from the end of July, the North Rhine-Westphalian police have suspended or penalised 105 incidents of right-wing extremist behavior over the past six years.
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why? People in position of power such as clergy, teachers, politicians, celebrities and wealthy in general are always the ones getting caught... after decades of abuse many times.
Until we admit who are the key groups doing the abuse, nothing will change. If we can't put clergy in prison for it, our society has not dealt with any of these issues imho. When you have clergy across countries doing it, it sound like a criminal organization.
Cops any many countries are also notorious for sexual assaults, which are heavily under reported.
Power corrupts people, even good ones. Especially people with traumas are draw to positions of power, to compansate for their lack of control in early life.
You see this everywhere, but some examples: Trump: abusive relationship with father Elon musk: Bullied and nearly punched to death in school
"Power corrupts", sure, but it doesn't turn people into nazi and child abuse fanatics. Power provides the means.
"The allegations shocked me. In criminal law, the presumption of innocence also applies here. Nevertheless, the allegations are so serious that after examining each individual case, I immediately banned the three officers from conducting official business," Friederike Zurhausen, the police chief of Recklinghausen, said in a statement.
This police chief did more than most do.
I have to wonder if things like child porn among law enforcement is a sort of test to see if the others are as committed to disregarding the law. If you say nothing, you have viewed and are currently in possession of child pornography in your chats, which becomes leverage. If you report it, you are outed as a nark and will become a target.
No one is surprised. People don't join the police to serve the people, they join it to bully them. We all know the gems attracted to positions like that.
That's not true, plenty of people join to help.
They get bullied out by all the bullies, or become one of them.
It never surprises me when nazis and cp are used in the same sentence. If this was us conservative and republicans would be part of that sentence too.
Communities defend communities.
Swearing to protect is vapid symbolism that anyone can feign with ease, and the laws are rarely decided by the people subject to them. The fact that so many people trust state police is amazing once we take a step back and analyse it.
Interesting case studies include real places that evicted police and politicians.
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Those swearing they will protect the law (or any thing else) are usually not the ones actually doing it
So.. how did they find this? No background information provided for this story. By the end of the article they no longer found it, it was an accusation?
