massive tax cuts to the rich, kids in cages, shit health care
think about which administration do you want running the country
good god the self-own. like at least list a thing that the biden admin reversed after taking office jesus christ
We're all just wondering who put up the cages in the first place. 
They mandated that the government not be able to call them 'aliens' anymore, they're 'migrants' (migrants that we demonize while raising the ICE budget and detain them indefinitely in camps)
Biden pardoned a bunch of people convicted of marijuana possession (after they had been released to just 'clean their records', and they had to do the paperwork; also didn't apply to 'migrants')
He...uhh...'reportedly' thinks Israel killing innocent Palestinians is wrong?
Yes, my phrasing on that was odd; the 'pardon' was basically just expunging their records, but it required the people being 'pardoned' to fill out the paperwork for the expungement
Also excluded anyone 'illegally in the US' explicitly
Ok let's apply that to Biden's administration.
It acted like COVID magically went away or became the flu, ended COVID relief programs, fought rail unions tooth and nail on a new contract that included improved safety regulations all while the blatant disregard for rail safety was on full display, stood by as the Supreme Court struck down Roe v Wade and made decisions that greatly affected the right of POC and the LGBTQA community, whole heartedly feed an entire country (Ukraine) to the meat grinder to weaken Russia unsuccessfully, and is currently covering Israel's ongoing genocide of Palestenians by regurgitating Israeli propaganda and providing military and material support.
Wow I really want these people to stick around
This should be all of our response to any comment such as this going forward. Make them squirm.
Who are they? I'm out of the loop. Was thinking of voting for RFK JR just to be annoying but this might be better
I mean... Maybe? But like, the police don't need much help when it comes to beating protestors for no reason
Like I said it's a rumor. Whether or not it's true or intentional is immaterial, take the risk if you want.
doesn't do thatIdk they catch a lot of hate around. There’s another rumor about sexual assault allegations at the national level or at least protecting perpetrators or something
, at least locally they’re one of the most involved orgs. They’ve led a lot of community cleanups and several protests for Palestine which I’ve attended at least one of the latter that went off fine.
Please let that sink in
Oh shut the fuck up
They're both going to put kids in cages and gut healthcare, who do you think you're kidding?
To be a bit more seriously, I'm not from the US but I'd be very careful. The MAGA movement might very well start rounding up trans people and whoever else they don't like. Something like a "Kristallnacht". They absolutely could turn the US into a fascist dictatorship. I hate the neoliberals too but from a tactical viewpoint you really should vote for Biden.
The U.S. is already a fascist dictatorship. It just has the luxury to have multiple parties of fascists. If trans people were to be rounded up, neither party would be interested in doing anything to stop it. We know this because literal children are regularly sent to privatized behavioral or conversion therapy camps that are essentially prisons, and neither party is very invested in shutting those down. So fuck off with your moralizing. Biden isn't strategic, nor is he vegetables, he's just a different brand of pop.
Yeah calling a man who is enabling a genocide "vegetables" is the most depraved infantilizing thing. How many dead Palestinians are needed for a healthy democracy meal exactly? That shit is pure evil
Hey now, the democrats would absolutely use it as a way to fundraise and get elected. And then... sit on their hands and do half measures because the republicans are so mean and actually control everything! Ahh Lisa Slotkin voted with the fascists but you need to vote for her so the evil republicans don't control the senate! Oh wow, we don't have the senate, we just need more money and votes so we can undo all the damage!
::: spoiler CW to protect innocent comrades from ire entirely directed at the above poster literally kill yourself, comparing voting for a genocide-enabling, child-caging, wall-building, nazi-arming, abortion-banning rapist who is/was pen pals with Arch-Racist Strom Thurmond to 'eating your vegetables' is probably the most disgusting take i have ever witnessed, even from a natoid in the Great Satan. I will gladly eat any ban for saying this, please kill yourself and kill everyone around you, as many as you can, as soon as you possibly can, for the good of the world. If you understood anything about history, geopolitics, or the basics of logical thinking, you would understand the rage i am feeling right now. I wish you and your loved ones a very disembowelment. Happy Valentine's Day. :::
When the government starts treating us white people like they have always treated black people I will take comfort in knowing you and I are on the same rotting ship.
I live in a vital swing state, I will literally make it a point to spend election day playing video games and eating chips :D :D :D
Vote 3rd party to make libs mad. They're still mad at Ralph Nader after all these years lol.
The US is currently a fascist dictatorship. Both parties in the US function as a single unit uniparty. Don't forget they repealed abortion rights under a democrat. The US legislator (Congress) is corrupted and captured and their supreme court is not different from Iran with religious fundamentalists that have lifetime appointments with power to review any case law. It literally doesn't matter. The Kristallnacht is coming and no voting will stop it, just like voting never stopped the German Nazi's. Is idea here to just have the Democrats win every election forever?
not different from Iran
Hey, Iran’s had and kept abortion and trans rights for half a century, they never legalized money in politics. The US is so bad comparing it to something other than itself or the Nazis minimizes it.
While the GOP is definitely become fascist, the US and the democrats is a neoliberal plutocracy, it's different from fascism (= a belief in inequality based on an mythological and essentialized identity). Say what you want about capitalism but they don't give a shit about your identity as long as they can sell you things or exploit you. Fascists don't like capitalism because it's too egalitarian - they want inequality and classes based on identity not money.
If you're an accelerationist you should also consider what the better tactical choice is to bring about a socialist revolution. Fascism is very stable and difficult to overthrow without the support of the military, and the technology to surveil and control people is much more advanced than in e.g. Nazi Germany. And you didn't have much of a resistance there either.
their supreme court is not different from Iran
I love the comparison to Iran's guardian council. To be fair their model of democracy / theocracy is build around resisting regime change / coup attempts from imperialist influences.
Fascists don’t like capitalism because it’s too egalitarian
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I suggest you literally read anything. You haven't even read easy stuff like Blackshirts and Reds if you really believe that fascists don't like capitalism.
The entire point of fascism is class collaboration/subordination for the benefit of the capital owners, to suppress labor and stabilize falling profit rates
It's precisely the reason Hitler was backed to the hilt by German industrialists
Brain-dead liberals have always confused certain protectionist measures used by fascist regimes as "anti-capitalist" because many of them have been completely blinkered by the exploded neoclassical conception of capital accumulation, while they ignore the unprecedented privatization campaigns of every fascist regime
Liberals are forced to believe in a fantasy version of capitalism and then stare in disbelief when the fascists turn out to be more efficient capitalists than they ever were
fascism
egalitarian
Fascism is an ideology that is practically defined by a constant search for an Other, an outgroup, an underclass it can use as scapegoat. It is literally in a perpetual state of eating its own tail
Genuinely one of the most baffling things I've seen a Lemmyite post here
Fascists absolutely want classes based on money. Fascism was devised as the union of labor and capital. Mussolini and the Syndicalists wanted to use national identity to "resolve" class contradictions, not make classes into national identities.
Even allowing the distinction, the Democrats fuel fascism by funding far right Republican candidates and fear-mongering over immigrants, China, etc. Capitalists will typically side with fascism to defeat socialism because it allows (most of) them to maintain their status. And fear-mongering about foreigners gives them a scapegoat and distracts from domestic problems, while justifying the corrupt military-industrial complex which allows transferring public funds into private hands. The Democrats are 100% fascist enablers.
fascism = a belief in inequality based on an mythological and essentialized identity
Wrong.
Fascism is open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic and most imperialist elements of finance capital.
Hi
Several US states basically have trans laws that amount to rounding up trans people already, these laws passing within the last year or two
Who's the current sitting president again? What party does he represent?
If only more people had voted for Hindenburg, he would have won the election and Hitler would have never come to power.
Hindenburg was representing an institution more like the supreme court, similar to how the liberals on the supreme court in the US are currently doing mental gymnastics to allow an insurrectionist to run for president, he allowed Hitler to grab power. I get the joke but it's actually relevant in another way - failure to oppose fascism by well meaning (or edgy) people.
Never have I seen someone let Hindenburg off so easily. So what you are saying is you should vote to oppose fascism......so that the institution can then let them into power anyways? Hindenburg WON and he still put Hitler in power. So why vote Biden exactly?
You don't get to pretend Biden isn't Hindenburg because you said so.
Hindenburg WON and he still put Hitler in power. So why vote Biden exactly?
Answer the question you were asked Ego.
My sibling in christ if you let a fascist come to power you are not "well meaning". The fact that you would even say something so silly implies that facisism is as unthreating to you as it was to them. In your failed attempt to defend voting for liberals to "prevent fascism" you explained exactly why voting for liberals will do nothing to prevent fascism just like it failed in Germany.
In what way was the President of the Weimar Republic representing an institution more like the Supreme Court?
Hindenburg put Hitler up as a choice for chancellor and then appointed him chancellor.
That’s a little different than what you’re suggesting.
Throughout the history of the Weimar Republic there are many examples of presidents using their emergency powers in big ways.
I think saying that president is a figurehead position with no real power is pretty indefensible. We have well documented examples of presidents wielding lots of power and the specific one we’re talking about famously used his political power to put Hitler next in line.
It’s doubly damning that you’ve brought this up as a defense of voting for Biden when one extremely shallow but nonetheless true reading of the events after Hindenburgs election is “don’t elect senile politicians to office if you want to defeat fascism!”
What make you think that the party who is already rounding up ethnic minorities in camps as we speak would do anything against the Republicans rounding up LGBTQ+ peoples in camps?
I am in the US and this is how can show you, the Republicans will make things worse as fast as they can while they are in power, while the dems will slow down to a much slower pace, but will do nothing to make anything better, they also will not stop anything bad from happening, they just will not activly do anything evil or terrible. A trans friend of mine put it this way, the Dems get you to vote for them by putting a gun to your head and saying they are your only choice.
It gets worse once you find out that the Dems are some of the biggest donners to the far right congresional canidates, because they think they are easier to beat.
At the end of the day the only REAL difference between the 2 is rhetoric, and maybe 2 years max, and I think I am being genorous by saying that we can get 2 years more out of the dems. Both votes will lead to the same facist hell hole, its just what can of paint I want, and how I want it to happen
If you aren't aware then shut the fuck up. The Democrats are more unhinged than they've ever been because even the incredibly milque-toast socdem alternative was beaten with a stick and then paraded around on an apology tour. The train has no brakes, stop telling us that if we change the conductor it will matter.
The Dem's "pied piper" strategy is responsible for Trump's first term. Yeah, sure it "paid off" by ratcheting up the extremism from that party's candidates at every level every cycle, while the empire collapses, guaranteeing they'll eventually ascend to power over us...
Trump is not the only issue, when trump dies there will be some other facist to take his place. and while I see your point, and understand where you are coming from, where I am sitting, the "delay" path is not a significant delay, as I said I see 2 years, and the question I have to ask myself is "Can we develop significant class contiousness or change within the 2 years to make a difrence" and from what I am seeing the answer is no, So my next question is, can I reward the Dems for there reckless behavior, and I also do not know if I can, they are coercing my vote, by the exclusive fact the other side is SO BAD, dispite the fact that materialy they are not much better. Matters get worse when you take into accound that a study out of prinston shows that my vote, or the outcome of all the votes and the want of all americans, does not effect the direction of the country, OR the fact that even though Biden is, almost certanly going to win the majority of the votes cast on election day thanks to the electoral collage it is going to be incredably close.
So really we dont have a harm reduction canidate, we dont have a lesser evil canidate (who may I point out means you are still voting for evil), there is no choice to make, assuming you are picking one of the 2 big ones that is a moral choice. There is no tactical choice, as I had said earlier, the only real difrence between them is retoric. Biden sounds nicer, he is not, but he sounds it.
as a trans person please don't use my identity as a shield to justify people voting for a genocide. thanks
Hey, we can apply longtermism too (and it won't even be that long, maybe a few decades) and say "That's unfortunately pretty likely no matter the timeline or specifically who gets elected when." Maybe if it happens in 2025-6 instead of 2045-6 there'll be less people around to genocide, and we might get a resolution to it quicker.
The US is certain to become a blatantly authoritarian state down the road, it is completely unsustainable and dependent on militarily destroying other places to launder money to its ruling class, then extracting surplus value from those places in the aftermath. It's currently a heavily obfuscated fascist state, at least to most observers just struggling to get by under its propaganda and the arcane systems it and its collaborators have created.
Corrupt politicians are ordered by their major bribers who is in the ADMINISTRATION.
Citigroup chose Obama’s 2008 cabinet, WikiLeaks document reveals
Trump was also told by his major bribers who to hire. For instance Renaissance Technologies who paid Trump $16 million, and John Bolton $3 million.
They also paid Hillary $16 million and remember that whole Pied Piper thingy with the cordinating with the media and the DNC propping Trump up making him "viable" 
Let that sink in.
Citigroup picking Obama's cabinet, the inaugural parties and fundraising, and giving Wall Street their bonuses after saving them in 2008/2009 is my original
moment
Mine too! I was living in section 8 apartments and had my power cut off a couple times during that debacle. Grand memories.
Also, when Dick Cheney was tapped to be Bush Jr's VP, he left Haliburton where he was the CEO and got a $33M severance package. The Bush admin went on to give Haliburton a bunch of no-bid govt contracts which they were investigated for.
The VOLCEL POLICE are on the scene! PLEASE KEEP YOUR VITAL ESSENCES TO YOURSELVES AT ALL TIMES.
نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.
These trite phrases used all the time in news and comments sections are going to kill my soul eventually
Oh is THAT the lines libs are going to use? That actually you aren't voting for president, you're voting for the president's cabinet? That's a ridiculous line to take but okay. I guess they haven't tried that one yet so let's see how it goes for them. Badly I would presume
Does blue Maga realize they're literally indistinguishable from red Maga.
That was literally the Maga argument for Trump in 2016 "he's not a politician but he knows how to hire the best people so he'll just have a great set of advisors and cabinet members that will do everything"
Biden has been an incredibly competent president and there are hours upon hours and hours of him speaking cogently.
This is Jon jumping on a narrative that just is based on patent fabrication.
I have to ask you: if the clips of Biden gaffes were coming from Fox, would we all be taking them at face value? Is it possible to conceive that the same kind of thing is happening with other outlets? It's wholesale fabrication of a narrative. It's really harrowing to watch.
The man regularly gives the State of the Union for fuck's sake! We watch him speak for literal hours!
And yes, Jon throws in a little disclaimer at the end to the effect of "I'm not saying that these candidates aren't vibrant and capable." The issue with there is that he JUST spent fifteen minutes doing just that.
I grew up watching Stewart and his work has helped shape my worldview and help me sniff out BS but this is really disappointing.
I get that anti-Trump comedy is super stale and he wants to come out of the gates fresh and with punchy material, but it's just so... South Park circa 2002.
I grew up watching Stewart and his work has helped shape my worldview and help me sniff out BS but this is really disappointing.
apparently it didn't because I can say the exact same thing I just kept learning and now im a communist.
I have to ask you: if the clips of Biden gaffes were coming from Fox, would we all be taking them at face value?
I would take the clips at face value.
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They do have a point though about the administration being a big part of an election. But sadly for this person (and the other folks that will use this line of thought), I think that a very large amount of people that are anti-Biden are not fans of his team either. So they are just furthering the arguments of even the anti-Biden Dems that are becoming more and more embarrassed of the party they have blindly supported for so long. Which does open some gaps for leftists to maybe at least flip to Green votes for President, or at least start following the lead of protest movements like the pro-Palestine/ceasefire ones.
But we have seen how much rot the "blue no matter who" crowd has just ignored for my entire life from late 80's to now. The masses have been taught to be loud but not know how to do anything. Being fair Republicans aren't much better but have learned how to scare their established leaders here and there.
Trevor noah was so fucking unfunny, dear God how did he manage to become host is beyond me
A few years ago a lib coworker showed me a clip on YouTube.
Every "joke" felt like it was written by a committee of libs, trying to make the most inoffensive material possible while pandering to DNC libs.
I still remember how he interviewed 
right after 
was killed and didn't ask her any hard questions about her family's relationship with him and 
Because it was written by a committee. You really think a guy who spent all his life in South Africa understands the ins and outs of US politics and culture? He's just there to deliver the jokes and collect a paycheck.
He just fundamentally did not understand American politics and the culture/society around it, which meant all his jokes fell flat. There may be many similarities between South Africa and the United States, but there are also many key differences. That kind of thing is important to understand when your entire job revolves around making jokes about American society and politics, and he just did not get it.
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he had some funny bits but they were mostly stories about life in south africa apartheid and what it's like to experience south african racism vs US racism. but i dont think he was ever great.
Pretty funny because he actually understands what he's talking about. A lot of his South African specials have aged really poorly in hindsight though, especially when he went through his edgy phase in the early 2010s. Most infamous clip from that was when he made fun of striking miners. Lots of sexist and antisemitic jokes about Jewish women as well, but the latter was limited to text based social media like Twitter and never made an appearance on his comedy specials, as far as I remember.
What's up with liberals knee jerk urge to avoid absorbing contradictory/ conflicting information? Instead of taking the second to see why people are saying xyz (in this case,Biden is old, genocide is bad, demand better from politicians) they double down on being proudly ignorant. They're so eager to be exploited
Throwback to this lib leaning into it re: Gaza
Truths are complicated and challenging. We don't have to take sides or teams; although I know it's difficult given then times we live in, where we feel the pressure to take sides given how fast we are bombarded with information. Join me and others in the effort to be comfortable with cognitive dissonance, and remember that regardless of any political leaning or nationality, we are all connected by our common humanity. Let's not antagonize eachother. Good luck in your search for answers.
We don't have to take sides or teams
imagine seeing what's going on in Gaza and being able to say this. they must be totally empty inside
just abdicating from humanity. like i can't imagine someone who really believes in the zionist narrative not taking a side? SOMEONE is being genocided here, right? if you don't think its Palestinians than its gotta be israelis right?
scientific evidence that it is possible for humans to survive without a spine.
I have a "friend" who's exactly like that. Taking a side might upset people on the other side so better not to. "There are lots of bad things happening in the world, I can't care about all of them". Proceeds to care about none of them.
I know it's weird but among all the other better reasons to despise anti-abortion activists, I always felt like, if you genuinely believe that abortion is murder and that hundreds of thousands of innocent fully human babies were being murdered every year, its shocking cowardice that they aren't firebombing clinics every day. I'd like to think that if I was convinced that there was a building in my community that murdered children all day every day that I would do something about it?
Odds are there's some weapons component factory in your area, given how they like to spread those out everywhere. And there's certainly a prison and a police station. And it's pretty rare for any of those to burn down. Idk where I'm going with this, not trying to be edgy or fedpost, just saying people lived normal lives next to the concentration camps, ya know? Cognitive dissonance or willful ignorance or whatever it is, seems to be a pretty strong force, I don't see why the right wouldn't also be able to believe something and completely ignore it at the same time.
yeah I hear that. prioritizing personal safety or comfort over action isn't unrelatable lol, there are things I believe are terrible that I don't take direct action against in my community. personally I'm going to wait until I'm old before I start seriously considering assassinating politicians or whatever.
but people did firebomb abortion clinics and get away with it at one point. they close at night so it would be relatively easy. also lots of people believe that these unbaptized babies don't just die but go to hell so that's a whole other level lol.
still tho I do understand what you are saying. I guess I could have the same opinion about vegans who don't blow up slaughterhouses right. its just something I always felt about abortion activists probably because I already hard then lol
It seems more recent, at least to me
In years past, they were fine with criticizing their leadership, they even kind of enjoyed it; doing so helped make them look more 'educated' and 'impartial' than their conservative counterparts. Something changed with Trump, 'vote blue no matter who' really got taken to heart, and now making even the most milquetoast criticism is seen as an indictment on you and an indicator that you are stupid or a Russian asset or a conservative
What's up with liberals knee jerk urge to avoid absorbing contradictory/ conflicting information?
liberals tend to view politics through the lens of personal morality. you're a good person if you support democrats. the inverse of that is if the democrat in office is bad, they view that as their own personal failing for "picking wrong" so it causes cognitive dissonance that causes them to keep doubling down.
Jon's take assumes that this decision comes down to two men
I thought they were about to tell people to vote third party and wondered why this was in the dunk tank
American electoralism has come down to this. Each state has an independent election to elect formal electors, each of which casts a vote for president, a man who will be controlled and held up as a figure head by his own administration, and our chances at democratic influence lie in somehow signaling through 3 layers of indirection to influence the decisions of the unelected administration officials. Right.
Trevor Noah cultivated an audience? I assumed everyone stopped watching The Daily Show long ago.
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America, you are not picking a president but an ADMINISTRATION..."
me checking the names of the Trump appointees that are still in place after Biden took office almost four years ago
In their defense that rally to restore sanity shit was pretty much the high water mark for libs preferring to be smug to winning electoral power.
But I'd be willing to bet that's not the argument they're making.
The rally appeared to have real momentum but Steward seemed to intentionally shoot it in the legs.
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I would guess that he was maybe hoping (foolishly) to freak out the Dem leadership and elected folks to wake up and break from what they always have done. Which is just always bow to conservatives and act like "bipartisanship" and "norms" are sacred above doing shit their own voters want/need. They saw the way Bernie and people like Stewart are able to get people jazzed-up and even inspire. And they went out of their way to undo all of it in the name of moderate/centrist can kicking. So done with the "we hear you and see you, but our hands are tied by insert excuse" excuse. At this point anyone that thinks Dem leaders are "fixable" and can in any way be trusted to fight for anything are just in the worst levels of denial.
Tired of people trying to shame me into voting for their flavor of fascism over the other guys. I'm closer to having an adventure rather than voting for Biden or Trump.
Seriously, it's so futile at this point
I no longer believe in the ballot box, only the 
Stewart and Nate Silver have both been very effective at selling the lib "strategy" to the masses for awhile. Stewart obviously had a bigger impact but Silver was pretty important for convincing the more online to vote for liberals and they've turned on both of them this week lmao
The liberals are absolutely in shambles right now, these are some foundational people for the appeal of the ideology they're denouncing. All for fucking Biden lmfao. This is crazy, and it's going to get even weirder
[Trump's] administration did help pass massive tax cuts to the rich, put children in cages, try to gut healthcare.
Pretty sure Biden's did these things as well.
Gonna be Dennis leary for s minute but holy fuck politcal discourse has gotten absolutely pathetic from the dems. Just cringing and gutless in all regards and the only time they show any fire is when they act like a shushing librarian to anyone who has any vocal opposition to this shameful submission.
