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Greta Thunberg: Case thrown because of 'no evidence'
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-68180317
She was arrested at a demonstration in October, with the judge concluding that the law was unclear.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-68180317
She was arrested at a demonstration in October, with the judge concluding that the law was unclear.
TFA: Greta Thunberg and four co-defendants have been found not guilty of breaking the law when they refused to follow police instructions to move on during a climate protest.
District Judge John Laws threw out a public order charge due to "no evidence" and added police attempted to impose "unlawful" conditions during a protest.
Oh so they're like to charge the cops for trying to impose unlawful conditions right? right?
I hate the cops as much as everyone but thats not what the ruling says at all.
The case was thrown out not because the cope were doing anything illegal, but because their instructions to the protestors were so unclear they couldn't be considered a lawful order.
As well as the fact that the incompetent cops didn't take statements from anyone so there's no evidence to prove they violated section 14.
Honestly part of me suspects the cops might have did it on purpose because they were ordered to stop it but didn't really want to. But that's probably giving them too much credit honestly, incompetence is the most likely answer.
the cops might have did it on purpose because they were ordered to stop it
Yep.
The UK gvmt have been increasingly cracking down on the right to protest. For example, during the proclamation of Charles coronation (royal officers go to towns and read an official proclamation out loud) a man who said (direct quote) "Not in my name" was arrested on a public order offence and dragged through the system until the CPS said they weren't going to take it any further.
At every turn the current Tory gvmt have urged the Police to be heavy handed with public order 'offences' and sort it out later.
oopsy woopsy we made a little fucky boingo that dragged you through the criminal justice system through no fault of your own and at no cost to us, all because of an unknown mix of malice and incompetence
oh well 🤷
Well there is a law that they were in theory breaking.
A shitty authoritarian law, but still a law.
And the whole point of the criminal justice system is to interpret cases like these and interpret the law and decide if someone is culpable. This is what happens when you have a properly separated system where cops are not judge joury and executioner, so while cops need to have some understanding of the law, its not their job to make those finer interpretations when cases could or could not be illegal. It might seem dumb in this case, but if cops have that power it would allow them to selectively enforce the law and you would have them saying "oh I didn't arrest the rapist because of this [nonexistent] technicality that makes it not a crime"
your argument is that the police need to be allowed to act with as much malice or incompetence as they like because if there was more oversight in the system they could choose to not arrest rapists?
you're saying that more oversight would lead to the police having more freedom to enforce the law as they see fit?
No. And I would rather you didn't purposefully misinterpret what am saying for the sake of trying to "win" a pointless internet argument like a redditor would.
you're the one attempting to reframe "there should be more oversight on the police's actions" as "the police should be granted more power to interpret the law as they see fit"
Plausible deniability would certainly be a fun one. But as much as I am pro climate action, cops should generally be neutral. Otherwise it would be very hypocritical if cops acted on different kind of views that I don't agree with. Either way, the system kinda worked as intended here. That's a good thing.
... cops should generally be neutral.
Canada's RCMP are still acting like attack dogs for whichever government speaks (civic, municipal, provincial or federal).
I do love how the government and the police are trying to impose a police state, while at the same time having giant arguments with each other and criticizing each other even though they both want the same thing, while at the same time the courts are not having any of it from either group.
I suppose it's a good thing that these fascist idiots can't organize themselves, but I really wish they weren't in positions of authority to begin with.
This just in: cops worldwide are lying scumfucks and enemies of the people and human progress.
Errico Malatesta's "For The Higher Police Authorities" provides a very good summary of the state of the police:
That the Police are indiscreet, vexatious, evil and, when it happens, even brutal, is something that we understand: it is the profession that wants it. They have always been and will always be like that, in any regime: and therefore we must fight for their radical abolition and not for their reform. But do they really need to be also, and above all, stupid? It would seem so.
The Tuscans usually say: he who is born a fool is never cured [chi nasce bischero non guarisce più].
Once Depretis, attacked by Deputy Tajani, because there were a number of criminals in the police force, replied: "But who do you want me to put in, if the honest men don't want to do that job?" If someone reproached Giolitti, who is a rascal but not an idiot, the ineptitude of his agents, he might reply: "But what can I do if intelligent men don’t want to be policemen?"
I had no idea what charge this was referring to. Here's the important bit from the article:
Greta Thunberg and four co-defendants have been found not guilty of breaking the law when they refused to follow police instructions to move on during a climate protest.
That's a legal way to say
Greta Thunberg: Case thrown because of 'bull shit argument made up by a stupid policeman'
The 21-year-old campaigner
It seems like she was just twelve or something yesterday. Damn, time slips by.
Depends what county arrested her. She definitely needs to be careful about traveling to certain locations.
aaaaahh.... how did the little girl hurt you mate?
because a little girl supporting 'everything anti-western' really just wants to stop dumbfucks from fucking up our atmosphere more. you should want that too.
you know picking on a little girl is a pretty lame look right? when she's literally on the right side of history?
everything anti-western... woof.
I agree she has a point that climate crisis is a big issue.
honestly did not see that coming as everyone of her critics I've met have been hard-right drill baby morons.
but I can accept it into my reality and adjust my worldview. been all over the US and UK, some bits of asia - I haven't seen evidence of western civilization falling any time soon, regardless of the critiques of some kid.
The biggest threat to western civilization and coincidentally, humanity, is the enormous threat of climate change. Not nuclear war, not hypercapitalism, not even the downfall of american democracy - the largest looming threat is our ability to adapt to a planetary shift in weather that will kill people in large swathes. The remainder will flee.
That's what the entire world, including the western world, should be focused on - and if they were, they'd easily be above her critique.
They are not.
Further: western civ needs a ww2-scale crash effort world wide to eliminate CO2. Eliminate racing, eliminate coal rolling, any motor sport that isn't run electric on renewable energy from snow-mobiles and watercraft to pleasure cruising, mandate emissions testing country wide, crank the price of hydrocarbons in every avenue way up. Probably limit/eliminate 2 stroke engines (some can be fiendishly efficient but they don't represent the galaxy of shitty ones out there spewing oil and unburned fuel). And a thousand other things.
If we did it today, I'd give us 50/50 of surviving.
We'll be lucky to see those kinds of changes by 2050, knowing western civilization. But please focus on the kid.
I mean there were few options for a guy named “John Law” other to become a judge right?
That...doesn't look like Greta at all. Oof, what happened to her? She used to look better
There was a pedo-sexualization harassment campaign aimed at her when she was younger. Any reddit post mentioning her would get flooded with posts suggesting a desire to rape her. It was really ugly, and this feels like the tail end of that.
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