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Any othet alternative to telegram that is more open sourced , privacy ,security focused is available in fdroid etc.

Wanted to know if there are any other android apps with features like telegram such as sending ,recieving big files creating channels etc. Using a bot or channel in telegram to pirate movies and series are infinitely easier than torrenting . But as telegram is not fully open source and requires a phone number to create an account i am looking to see if there are any better alternatives which aldready does have a piracy ring like telegram . If you know any share . I am asking this here because i think it is the right sub and i can't find an alternative anywhere on the web . If it isn't the sub for this i will delete the post if you request so in the comments.

EDIT : It seems everyone missed my questions point i don't want a privacy focused app like telegram to chat i want a app that is privacy focused but can also help me pirate media .

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nobleshift

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Harbinger01173430

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I am interested. Could you point me to a good tutorial to get started with IRC? I think I used some IRC sites before but they felt more like chatrooms

fine_sandy_bottom

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IRC (Internet Relay Chat) is a chat protocol, and all IRC servers host chat rooms exclusively.

If you know where to go, you can find bots. You interact with them with private messages, commands like "!download <whatever>". Upon which the bot will create a DCC (direct client connection) with you and transfer whatever you requested.

Of course, lots of bots will enforce some sort of requirement on you, membership on some web site or some such.

splendoruranium

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Are there any obvious fire-and-forget solutions to hosting IRC servers for friends? With Mumble it's a simple sudo apt-get and you have your voice chat running, but at a first glance IRC seems to be a bit more involved, surprisingly so.

nintendiator

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It's literally ~~configure && make && make install~~ docker pull && docker-run for the ircd image.

navi

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I love the IRC protocol. We had to implement an IRC client in networking class and the text protocol is so simple and great.

stown

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nobleshift

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THEDAEMON

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Turns out i was wrong and IRC works almost like telegram (atleast a lemming told me (if that is what we are calling ourselves))so can anyone tell me some basics like is goguma agood client ? Which channels to follow etc

SLaSZT

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IRC works almost the exact same way, there are bots that you can use to request content. It seems like you're asking for suggestions only to shoot them down without even knowing what the suggestion is.

Torrenting also works really well as long as you have your client set up correctly - there are many, many YouTube videos about how to set up qBittorrent, Deluge, Transmission, etc.

This post should be step 1 for you, no one is going to give you instructions because you didn't ask for them.

THEDAEMON

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Ok then can you privide instruction i searched fdroid and saw a irc android client goguma (which is close platform supported with linux )is that good ?

SLaSZT

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I'm not really interested in creating a detailed write-up/tutorial. But generally speaking, the client doesn't matter. I'd go with Revolution but if Goguma works for you, use that.

The main thing that you'll need to choose is what server you want to join - you can search online for what IRC servers and channels are good for pirated content. FMHY has resources on this too.

Ultimately, learning how to find these answers on your own will make things go smoother for you. It has literally never been easier to teach yourself how to do something than right now. Good luck.

THEDAEMON

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Can't you just share the name or something of a channel you use ?

AVeryCleverName

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They did mention Rizon

darkstar

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Dude go figure it out yourself, they've given you more than enough to get started. Stop asking people to hold your hand

THEDAEMON

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hiajen

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Matrix i guess, its a federated messaging protocoll. Flagship messenger app would be Element. Sending large files would depend on the server you are on.

gasull

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SimpleX has the best privacy, because of removing metadata.

Signal comes close, and has many more users. Probably some of your friends already use it.

If you want something similar to Telegram/Discord/Slack, then Element (Matrix) is what you're looking for.

All of the above are E2EE.

THEDAEMON

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No all my friend are on insta 🤢

undeffeined

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Time for new friends!

It sucks, I know :(

Lemmchen

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Sending big files over Signal or SimpleX? I doubt it.

JoeBidet

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Simplex.chat is promising, with great privacy/anonymity concepts at its core:

no identifyer like a phone# or an email address needed
little to no metadata transiting by the server
identity management ("incognito" identities generated in one click when joining a group for instance, management of several identities), all database/client-side.
works with any server, through tor by default. different servers used to send/receive messages.
android/ios/linux-tui/linux-desktop/macos/windows versions available
in Haskell, so no node/electron shtf#ckery (just a different shtf#ckery... ;)) )

THEDAEMON

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Thanks may have to piggyback on it later

Gooey0210

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If you're on simplex you will understand this joke:

Simplex sucks because we need stickers

P.s. really love simplex, would like to see more stability and maybe speed, but everything else works just great

sqgl

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Has bugs re invites. Not for noobs.

JustUseMint

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Signal is the best, honestly the tech is unbeatable. If you don't want to use a phone number, then Session is similar albeit with less robust encryption protocols.

beSyl

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They need to finally release the usernames feature. That will probably make it much more usable. At some point I managed to convince some of my friends to use signal, but ever since they removed sms support, even I don't use it.

They should have waited for usernames to remove the sms support.

JustUseMint

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I don't understand why the sms thing is such a big deal. Either use it or don't, as in, I use shitty sms android when I must buy the majority of my communications are done through signal. Sms is not secure and should be avoided.

Fades

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Signal has been legit and trustworthy for many years

TCB13

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While I agree with your and a more open/private telegram would be great the thing is that the current alternatives, Signal, Matrix, whatever are simply subpar alternatives when it comes to the clients. We can say a lot about telegram's privacy but the true is that all their native mobile and desktop clients outperform everything else out there. (I wonder why a native app would outperform react garbage :P).

The only think that might be private yet as performant as Telegram might be some kind of XMPP but the issue with that is that mobile clients suck.

THEDAEMON

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I don't think matrix have piracy groups but yes in terms of privacy it's the best (ok maybe not the best and i should have put some reaserch into it my bad guys . i don't use it though)

TCB13

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No, Matrix isn't the best in terms of privacy. It is a metadata disaster and Telegram clients are still more performant.

Matrix's E2EE does not, however, encrypt everything. The following information is not encrypted: Message senders, Session/device IDs, Message timestamps, Room members (join/leave/invite events), Message edit events, Message reactions, Read receipts, Nicknames, Profile pictures

originalucifer

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ive been scared to say i dont like matrix. so many people seem in love with it.

GravitySpoiled

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Ask your mates with whom you connect on telegram to move to matrix

THEDAEMON

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Lol from telegram my friends won't move from instagram to telegram only a few of them are available in telegram that too rarely. I am the only one not on insta in our friends group and everyone aldready thinks i am tinfoil hat guy if i tell them about frediverse and the problems with using instagram they will think i am going nuts . I just call them if i want to talk nowadays .

Draconic_NEO

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I've seen and heard of a few. Thing is when you join them you'll only get access to newer stuff there, the E2EE makes past messages unreadable if you haven't been there for a while. It's not like on Telegram where you get Room history access.

jvrava9

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The only piracy rooms on matrix that I know of are jc141 support and jc141 gnu/linux hackers

ParetoOptimalDev

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The first messenger without user IDs

Other apps have user IDs: Signal, Matrix, Session, Briar, Jami, Cwtch, etc. SimpleX does not, not even random numbers.

This radically improves your privacy.

https://simplex.chat/

THEDAEMON

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Thanks looks very promising

ByroTriz

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As far as I know Telegram is the only one with piracy-oriented channels. Maybe we could start one on Signal

Asudox

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Once usernames roll out.

terminhell

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Take a look at "Seeker". Its a client for the SoulSeeker network. Nicotine+ for desktop is nice too.

BlackSkinnedJew

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Matrix?

MonkderZweite

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Deckweiss

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JustUseMint

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Op regarding your edit, your title says privacy open source and security , it says nothing about for piracy. I'm aware we're on a piracy community, but that's not what your title said.

THEDAEMON

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It is explained in the body

jet

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https://www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication/

Signal

THEDAEMON

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Isn't that for privacy i want piracy

ekky

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Most foreboding quote 2024.

TCB13

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Maybe not. https://dessalines.github.io/essays/why_not_signal.html

CIA Funding CIA → RFA → OTF → Signal. While this article by Yasha Levine gets into the details, it is no secret that the original funder of Open Whisper Systems (the previous name for signal’s development team), was the Open Technology Fund: itself publicly listed as a subsidiary of Radio Free Asia, a US state-run organization whose main goal (along with the other “Radio Free” incarnations such as Radio Free Europe, or Free Cuba Radio) is regime change for those Asian governments who don’t align with the US’s foreign policy interests.

Either way you can't recommend Signal over Telegram when it comes to features and service quality as it works very fast and handles large group chats (hundreds of people) no problem and syncs instantaneously. Signal's desktop and mobile clients are simply a pile of react and javascript garbage that can never be as fast as the native Telegram clients and usually fails at syncing messages. With Signal issues such as https://twitter.com/signalapp/status/1350631024351346689 and "signal can't display this message" are very common.

Telegram has one very good thing going on for them: they aren’t dicks when you want to delete messages. You have options that are very clear on what they do and allow you to delete messages in both sides. Other platforms, including Signal, are just shit when it comes to this and frankly that’s a security nightmare. I can't ever trust a platform that when I ask it to delete a message it may or may not work, may or may not tell the other side it was deleted.

I’m not pushing people to use Signal anymore as their Apps still suck, there’s zero investment to make them more usable and to fix the things that are half broken. To make it even better their open-source is very questionably, their server code went for an year without updates. Why would I use something that lags, underperforms, has questionable open-source practices and might be funded by the CIA / influenced in some way then?