That was the last movie I saw before the pandemic, and I didn't go to the theater again until October 2022.
I felt like the movie was so bad that it ushered in the end times.
I tryed so hard to enjoy it, you guys!
Lucky you, the last movie I saw in theatre before the pandemic was Cats.
I honestly don't know which experience was worse...
It's a horrible mess, but there's bits in there too like, overall poor though for sure. One of the worst if not the worst. Episodes 8 and 9 tension the only Star Wars content I've only watched once. Ben Solo however was a very short bit very enjoyable bit of Star Wars.
I haven't watched any Star Wars content ever since. I absolutely loved The Last Jedi, so I was hoping this was just another such case of fans being overly cynical, but I just couldn't like TRoS, try as I might.
I'm not trying to steal anyone's joy, though. Entertainment value is so subjective.
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you have to have a very high IQ to understand the star wars sequels. The subtext is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of the extended universe most of the references will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Luke's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Kilji Illumine literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of this allegory, to realise that they're not just worldbuilding- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike the sequels truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rey's famous line "Somehow palpatine returned" which itself is a cryptic reference to how palpatine's force spirit possessed the clones of himself he had prepared in advance. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as J. J. Abrams's genius wit unfolds itself on the cinema screens. What fools.. how I pity them
I agree, everyone who doesn't like all of star wars is a big dumb idiot. Only smart guys like us can appreciate. I mean "somehow" Palpatine literally did return. Heh. Dummies.
Or maybe you just need to love star wars enough to convince yourself they are good.
I gonna be honest. . I didn't love the sequels...
But I didn't hate them.
Then one day I heard "star wars is having an official Canon event in fortnite" and rolled my eyes figuring some promotional cash grab bs.
Then when I heard "somehow Palpatine returned", I looked more into it, and turned the movie off. I still haven't seen all of it.
I love the shows.
The Force awakens was fun but not great star wars.
There is bad star wars, and you summed it up perfectly.
They should have explained it a little bit more, but palpatine also returned in the sequel books that people liked.
If your movie requires a book..
Down votes but no elaboration? Cope and seethe! The movie was nonsensical because they cut some out and put it in TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT KINDS OF MEDIA.
If you think that's good filmmaking you are just wrong.
The plot of Episode 7-9 is almost exactly the same as Episode 4-6. They even had fucking Palpatine come back....what the entire fuck. It was so beyond lazy that it's downright fucking insulting.
Not to mention after 6 there is suppost to be the end of the empire and yet they just magically reappear.
I was so hyped for that crazy force powerful alien dude....my god they did him dirty. Would have been better if he was actually like 15' tall lol. Uses a chaotic great sword version of a ligtsaber. Oh. That would have been awesome.
Yeah! I though Snoke is gonna be the final boss or something, and he got chopped in half just like that. They did not plan out the trilogy at all.
"Ewoks Caravan of Courage"? "Star Wars Holiday Special"?
You can say it's all fun. You can even say you like it all.
I even like the sequel trilogy over the prequels (because I'm of a certain age).
But not sure about "all" Star Wars being "great".
Yeah. Caravan of courage was somewhat of a classic for 1980s, kids starved Star wars content. But beyond that it was pretty bad.
I second the holiday special, and nine is absurd. That part with the dagger is one of the worst things I've seen in a movie.
I'd add, it's okay to like things that aren't great. The new Jurassic Park series is kinda bad, but I still enjoy them anyways.
Episode 9 is also pretty bad, from an editing perspective. Everything just moved too fast, and nothing felt like it had proper buildup.
You didn't like the goonies moment where he lined up that rock to the medallion? You didn't think that was super amazing story telling that made perfect logical sense?
Lifelong fan of SW. I have seen all of them up to Last Jedi. I have read all of the EU back when it was cannon. Never went to New Jedi Order. Because the emotions it brought me were pain and suffering. They kill Mara Jade. The only other bad ass female character in a series of 30+ books. What about Children of the Jedi? I mean the entire Trilogy is whiny 70's sci fi emo writing all it's own but that the Star Wars stamp was put on it just adds insult to injury.
I have read and watched every piece of SW media I could get my hands on for the last 30 years. There were absolutely some trash books or plotlines but nothing is worse than the 3 sequels and the Book of Boba Fett. Also, Solo got a bad rap.
It also killed all of the other planned unnecessary in-between-quel movies, so we should thank it for that.
Solo cooking up that memba’berry casserole, but it was tasteless, bland, and all around not a good time.
Everyone is quoting the sequels, but don't forget the prequels. Between those and the sequels, there's a solid 4 movies out of 9 that I'd say are bad, maybe 3 if you're generous.
The games and from what I understand the books can be pretty good though.
The sequels have Kenobi finding the secret cloning facility location from a fucking 80s diner alien called Dexter Jexter
The most painful thing about star wars fans isn't that they hate things like the sequels, it's that they blindly love the other garbage that exists in the IP
Star Wars Episode 1 Racer for the Nintendo 64 was the best thing to come from The Phantom Menace, and nobody can change my mind.
Liam Neeson did a good job, I agree. But Even Darth Maul couldn't kill Episode 1 Racer.
I'd argue that they could have continued making movies, perhaps indefinitely. The problem is that Disney invested a billion dollars and then didn't spend a dime on writers.
Planning out an overarching story, major plot points, and compelling characters beforehand would have solved just about every problem with the sequel trilogy. Instead Disney seemed to hand the films over to the hotshot director du jour who would more or less shoot from the hip.
Even if we'd ended up with fan service rehashes like the Force Awakens it wouldn't be the end of the world, just a wasted opportunity. Instead Johnson came in and kicked over the sandcastle which forced Abrams to come back and frantically try to patch it back up.
You'd think that spending a billion dollars would make a company at least try to do some prep work to maximize their investment.
Much of it, yes, but the real reason Qui-Gon died at the end is because he was exhausted from carrying the entire film on his back.
Liam Neeson had the gravitas and experience to do his own thing, and almost everything good about that movie involves him. McDiarmid too. The younger actors, including Ewan, and the bit players were almost universally meh to dreadful, and frankly Portman was probably the worst; her line readings in or out of the makeup were stilted and straight up amateurish. While he was given garbage to work with and wasn't some sort of prodigy who could elevate it, Jake Lloyd at least brought energy and authenticity. Lucas should have at least gone the ROTJ route and shadow-directed, but with a no-name "official" director who was good with actors. The story for Ep 6 is very iffy, but the performances themselves are fine, even with Ford sort of mailing it in; Marquand was able to turn that apathy into a certain bemused ennui.
I'm not going to blame the performances on the actors here because...look at the material they were given. Obi Wan's character was "also there tagging along." It really should have been Qui Gon sitting on the ship, meditating, being wise and occasionally offering advice to Obi Wan, a somewhat headstrong young man who has very nearly completed his apprenticeship and will soon test for the rank of Knight. Instead of...sitting on the ship doing mostly nothing while the old gummer goes on all the adventures. In Ep 1 especially, Padme has basically no personality. In the Queen makeup, she's monotone and officious, out of makeup she...is like 14.7% stuck up, 9% a girl, 76.3% staring into space. What was Natalie Portman supposed to DO with this role? We're told she's "young and naive" but she does basically nothing of her own volition that demonstrates naivete.