https://www.techradar.com/computing/artificial-intelligence/i-tried-to-break-nvidia-ace-for-laughs-but-instead-i-got-to-see-the-strange-new-future-of-story-driven-pc-gaming
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The bright future where we wast even more time in endless and meaningless filler conversations with npcs instead of actual playing a game...
Some good story games may need good and deep stories with meaningful interconnected dialogues best written by humans while other games maybe should limit their NPC interactions to pushing the gameplay...
One can have an AI NPC who has a big set of filters on it keeping it in character and keeping it to relevant dialogue. I wouldn’t fully write this off.
I don’t like one use-case so the whole thing is essentially bad for the industry
Your second statement highlights that there is indeed value to be found here yet ultimately you call it a “wast” of time
You’re the one that controls how long you talk to them, you’re the one asking them about meaningless filler at some point, it’s not like you’re being held at gunpoint. Also let’s not pretend every game is going to integrate this to the point where you have to fuck with an npc to find some piece of lore or whatever. Just as flavor to deepen existing layers of story telling and world building.
Let’s not attack the tech and instead uphold the creators to a better standard on how to integrate this kind of thing
It feels like there's a lot of potential here. One of the most loved colony sims, Dwarf Fortress, thrives on this concept of emergent behavior: yes, the descriptions of the individual characters, their motivations and backstories does have a sort of hollow, procedural generation to them. But the stories they enable, the wacky quirks like an engraver going nuts putting up murals to cheese on everyone's walls, the fact that when you get an unlikely hero or battle outcome it isn't the author's giving them destiny but a true random fluke, the unexpected disaster of opening an unseen water or lava flow or awakening some ancient evil - that can create a wonderful sandbox where players encounter and create their own stories.
There's a balance in story telling, especially interactive story telling, between romanticism and realism. Between what we want to happen, and what actually happens. And sometimes, oftentimes, it's the things we didn't want to happen that make a story more compelling and memorable.
The problem with this sort of thing is that, for some reason, AI-generated conversation just feels hollow compared to human-written conversation. It's a weird thing, because I honestly can't really articulate why that is, but hearing an NPC talk about some event as written by a human has a heightened feeling of importance compared to hearing an AI-generated text about that same event. Maybe it's because when it's human-written, we subconsciously know that someone cared enough to spend the time to write it specifically, so it must be important in some way.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out when it's actually implemented in real games. If the AI NPCs were given specific plot points that they were supposed to hit to move the story along, how do they prevent situations where the AI just never gets to it, or where it doesn't have the feeling of importance and the player just glazes over it? If it's just used for random NPCs whose dialog isn't really important to the narrative, how do they avoid it just becoming background noise that we don't pay attention to or care about?
There's also the issue of transferring emotions to the words when doing text to speech. Imagine how dry it'll be listening to an NPC react to someone dying or something.
It'll take a few years before this technology is really viable. Until then, we get stuff like this.
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The other angle no seems to mention is that while the NPC can have dialouge that feels natural, there is no way to program them to be able to act on the dialouge.
This was something very obvious in some of the Skyrim LLM integration videos I've seen. They would "convince" the NPC to do something, like join their quest, but there is no logic behind the scenes to actually enable that interaction in-game.
For visual novels that may not matter (I'm not convinced, but maybe), but for rpgs it will. Just look at what happened with fallout. They didn't limit it to a wheel of effectively yes/no just for dialouge/voice acting reasons. They do things like that to limit how many paths the story/character can take becuae you can't program it all in.
I wonder if this is going to cause a surge in immersive sims/a focus on emergent gameplay. If you just set up the tools and framework you don't have to specify the paths for the story, just the guidelines.
It's definitely going to be interesting to see what people can create as these tools continue to expand. I wonder if it will cause new genres of games or can actually be integrated into existing ones.
A theory of mine about this problem is that an AI knows what it should do (because of training data) but not if it was effective; as it doesn't have a metric to test if its output is engaging to humans. When an AI generates dialogue it does so by copying and merging many existing snippets of text, but without a clear set of goals in doing so. When a human writes dialogue, they have a specific atmosphere in mind, a set of goals, foreshadowing, the tone shifting throughout the sentences etc. AIs might accidentally do it right from time to time, but more often than not they mess this part up.
So let’s work with it and improve it??? Lacking perfection doesn’t mean don’t use it, just look at what we did to adapt for shit graphical power. It can still be deeper than pre-written dialogue trees, especially when it comes to world building
The key is to not force it and let it remain player choice on how they choose to interact with ai content. The other one would be proper training for the character and not just copy paste
I definitely never said they shouldn't use it, just that it'll be interesting to see how they address the problems with it. Like it or not, I think we're likely to see AI in a lot of games in the coming years, with some good and some hilariously bad implementations.
More than dialog, I'm interested to see how generative AI could be used in other facets of game design. Think for instance of a horror game that intelligently analyzes your reactions and uses that to zero in on the things that really scare you, then generates more of that.