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Palestinian shot dead after six Israelis wounded in illegal settlement

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/1/palestinian-opens-fire-in-west-bank-settlement-wounding-israelis

Palestinian health ministry identifies suspect in shooting attack as Mohannad al-Mazraa, 20, from nearby West Bank town.

Palestinian shot dead after six Israelis wounded in illegal settlement

Palestinian health ministry identifies suspect in shooting attack as Mohannad al-Mazraa, 20, from a nearby West Bank town.

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nearhat

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The colonists had invaded and illegally occupied territory. Their presence is contrary to the 4th Geneva Convention. And as such, constitutes yet another in the list of #israeli #warcrimes.

shatal

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You're right. And a territory ownership dispute totally justifies shooting and trying to kill unarmed civilians. Be better. Also, phrase better. A Palestinian shot six people. An off duty officer shot back and killed him.

Letstakealook

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You lose the "unarmed civilian" card when you are the colonist of an apartheid state. When you invade others lands, they tend to fight back.

shatal

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Like all things, it's complicated. It's not that they invaded an existing city, deported everyone and colonised it.

This area is a no-man's land, technically not owned by any country. The area that they built the settlement was uninhabited before they came along. Is it ok? I agree, no, they have no business being there.

But do you really believe that they deserve a death penalty for it?

Letstakealook

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I don't have sympathy, as their actions continue to escalate an already volatile situation. You also have to take into account the actions of the IDF on the civilian Palestinian population. You add the two together and this is the result you get. They know what they are doing is wrong and the risks they are taking by being there.

shatal

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This is not about sympathy and I'm not justifying their actions. I'm saying something really simple - do you honestly believe that the actions of a person who took a gun and shot with the intend of killing as many unarmed civilians, who didn't actively attack anyone, is justifiable? As someone from the political left, I'm honestly baffled by how other people holding liberal opinions have no problem justifying terrorists and murderers as long as it's Palestinians vs Jews.

Letstakealook

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I find it hard to believe that someone from the political left doesn't understand that once a group has been shut out of the political system, physically sequestered into an area under military occupation, and consistently suffers the violence of the state they have little recourse.

It isn't terrorism to fight against a government that enforces apartheid. It isn't terrorism to fight statism the supporters of said government. Those settlers want their government to inflict as much pain and suffering on the Palestinian population as possible.

shatal

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I'm not sure which political system they are shut out off - the Palestinians have their own political system and leaders. It's just not democratic.

They are also not under any military rule except their own. Almost all of the Israeli military presence in Gaza and the west bank is either during wars (ridiculously called operations), or in checkpoints between these territories. They are currently fighting against a de-facto foreign government.

But you know what, let's assume that the situation is as you describe it. So, what you're saying is that there is an apartheid and the Palestinian want, in fact, to participate and vote for the Israeli government but are blocked from it. You're also saying that these settlers are all pure evil and want to inflict pain and suffering out of sheer sadism and hate. They deserve a death sentence. Is that about right?

Waldhuette

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Man I wish I could see how you would behave if someone invaded your land and stole it and when you try to defend yourself some schmuck comments "did they have to resort to violence" ?

shatal

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By that logic, you'll be ok with native Americans or Australian Indigenous People pick up guns and knives and start shooting and stabbing random people in the streets?