https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/21/24011153/gta-vi-hacker-lapsus-sentencing-hospital-prison
The hack cost Rockstar Games $5 million.
It's not just GTA...
That was while he was already on bail for other offenses, and apparently he's just flat out saying he's going to keep doing it and nothing will stop him...
So, it's not like there's any other options.
I worked at a day program for people with autism and other issues, and there's just some people with the right mix of symptoms and abilities, where they're capable of doing incredibly harmful things, but just literally can't understand why they shouldn't and you just can't explain it in a way they understand.
Which seems to be what's going on here. Dude just refuses to stop and he's going to do it again the second he's able.
He pulled this off while under supervision of police while in a hotel. Nothing short of him being in a controlled environment 24/7 is going to prevent it.
Hopefully somebody can set up some CTF servers for him in the hospital. Taking away his 'one thing' forever seems inhumane to me.
Yeah, give him a closed network with obstacles to overcome, whenever he beats the latest one, set them up again.
Has he done anything bad? Name one thing that he did that was somehow harmful to someone.
not like there's any other options
other than a life sentence?!?
how about any other sentence, and then see if he changes his mind after that?
and he's not some autistic super hacker, he just asked some dumb guy for the password...
Although he stayed at a hotel under police protection during this time, Kurtaj still managed to carry out an attack on Rockstar Games by using the room’s included Amazon Fire Stick and a “newly purchased smart phone, keyboard and mouse,” according to a separate BBC report.
Looks like they should hire him no?
5 millions loss for rockstar games, like is it even a lot for them?
They basically deemed him too autistic to be held responsible for his own actions. I am all for rehabilitation and channeling skills in good ways but you also need to trust them to act in their own interest which this guy don't seem capable of.
Yeah I think I meant something like supervising him and seeing how he's exploiting breach in order to patch it. But that doesn't look as realistic now as it was in my head, who would hire him actually, you don't know what would be his next target
Maybe someone who understands better can explain, but isn't "lifelong confinement" a bit harsh for what amounts to someone taking the loose change out of my sofa after entering without asking?
I'm aware of their status, I just think we should be past Bedlam by now.
He did this while out on bail for multiple other hacks and openly refuses to stop saying he'll do it again as soon as he's able...
But maybe 5-10 years from now he's not as obsessed with hacking and is able to be released with conditions.
The article is pretty informative
Thanks for the explanation, I kind of skimmed the article. The verge always throws pop-ups and ads everywhere when I'm on my phone so I don't really spend long whenever an article is linked.
I actually use Firefox with ublock but for some reason, certain websites just kind of half-work. Fanbase wiki pages are basically one centimeter of readable space between ads.
Does the job 97% of the time though. Guess I'll have to upgrade or double up at least.
To be fair though the article kind of sucks.
He's not being held in a hospital for life, he's being held indefinitely. Which is absolutely the correct decision considering his abilities and record of hacks
Oh no. He'll do it again you say? That justifies the possible life imprisonment! He might, idk, leak the next batch of shark card prices.
It likely will not be life but it is an indefinite severance until doctors believe he no longer is in danger of reoffending. This is actually pretty common in many countries in cases that are deemed to be do to insanity. Sometimes when medicated they can be out in a few years. Other times they may in institutionalized for life. It is not about punishment but about trying to rehabilitate and focusing on the right treatment till they think he is safe to be back in society.
Shit title for this article.
“He’s required to stay in the hospital prison for life unless doctors determine that he’s no longer a danger.” Imagine taking the Hippocratic Oath and then getting a gig like this..
We as a society should stop punishing people for insignificant crimes against big corpos. This sentence sounds something out of a dystopia. Really, even if there is supposedly 5 million USD in damages, are there any proof that anyone working at Rockstar games will feel the impact as a person? It is such a huge company I bet they wouldn't even feel it. Maybe there needs to be some cost cutting here and there, or maybe some people will lose some jobs? But neither warrants lifelong confinement - this is something you might get if you ruin someones life forever.
Key word is "victimless crime" which is an oxymoron. Companies are not people and can't be victims.
"Victimless crimes" are not crimes
Perhaps for first offenses, in cases where the defendant seems remorseful, and/or they are unlikely to regress, sure. But in this case, the defendant checks none of these boxes. This kid sounds like the archetypical shit bag that plagues gaming communities far and wide. Goodbye and good riddance.
He plagues gaming communities, how terrible. Take away his autonomy!
Listen to yourself. He needs meds and house arrests at most. I do not propose to know how to discourage a compulsive hacking disorder, but why on Earth should a judge sentence him to imprisonment on behalf of Rockstar for a leak?
Did you read the article, though?
I sincerely hope he gets the help he needs, but unless and until a qualified medical professional personally guarantees he won’t regress, it would be downright irresponsible to allow this kid to continue doing what he does.
It seems like people aren't reading the article and just downvoting.
So here's another snippet from the article which shows you the kid needs serious help:
Kurtaj leaked 90 videos of GTA VI gameplay footage last September while out on bail for hacking Nvidia and British telecom provider BT / EE. Although he stayed at a hotel under police protection during this time, Kurtaj still managed to carry out an attack on Rockstar Games by using the room’s included Amazon Fire Stick and a “newly purchased smart phone, keyboard and mouse,” according to a separate BBC report. Kurtaj was arrested for the final time following the incident.
Like come on man, how many chances is enough? If there's no real consequences for people's actions, they just do whatever they please. Actions have consequences.
You quoted the least compelling part of the article. Literally who cares about Rockstar, Nvidia, and BT?
The only part that might require hospitalization/lockup IMO might be this:
During Thursday’s hearing, the court heard Kurtaj “had been violent while in custody with dozens of reports of injury or property damage,” the BBC reports. A mental health assessment also found that Kurtaj “continued to express the intent to return to cybercrime as soon as possible.” He’s required to stay in the hospital prison for life unless doctors determine that he’s no longer a danger.
But it's vague af so who knows.
The prevailing wisdom on lemmy seems that it's fair game apparently as long as the targets are corporations
Between this and Nintendo basically enslaving that one guy by garnishing his wages for the rest of his life, game companies are getting way too comfortable using the law like a cudgel, just because they can. No fucking video game content being leaked justifies a game-shitter-outer to be able to do this. Guess I'll be boycotting.
However, since Kurtaj has autism and was deemed unfit to stand trial, the jury was asked to determine whether he committed the acts in question, not whether he did so with criminal intent.
If you can't get a conviction based on what happened, simply ignore what happened
As I've learned through life experience, there is no sin society will punish disproportionally harder than not conforming. Doesn't matter how well I behave or how many rules I break, none of it ever matters. Everything's always fine up until I make it clear other people can't control me.
The world is run by fascists who get off on having power over others, and punish severely those who resist that oppression.
Lol wut. Honestly some societies are worse than others, but me, I don't imagine anyone would seriously punish someone simply for wanting to do their own thing
Because you are 'free'. Stick to values that don't hurt anyone and watch how often it becomes a problem.
Blaming autism for a lack of regard for big corporations... Because corporations are always rational, reasonable, lawful actors. They're also, of course, basically people.
This is fucked up.