Fact check please? I seriously doubt this
I'm ignorant, but this is just full of red flags.
I'm ignorant, but this is just full of red flags.
has death penalty to lgbt
right, good thing israel bombs has filters and doesn't kill or injury no lgbt
Allied with Russia Iran and China
Not allies, not a single one of these carried and airstrike on the zionist entity or done anything other than send some weapons or stand with them in the UN, Also if you consider China to be a bad guy enough to justify hating Palestine you're a lost cause.
Majority support for Hamas
Yeah, obviously, they also support the PFLP the DFLP the PIJ and anyone who will end the genocide going on them.
Has deathwish for LGBT
false, many Palestinians are gay, and Hamas doesn't even discriminates against queer people (currently) and isr*el blackmails queer people into spying, there's hatecrimes that happen from time to time, but that's expected, hate crimes against queer people happen all across the world.
Countless suicide bombings
So? what's wrong with suicide bombing? is suicide bombing more severe than bombing a hospital? Hamas used to do more suicide bombings but they've currently lowered it, the last one was a few years ago by a suicidal 18 year old in the west bank I think.
80% support 7/10
Yeah, because 7/10 was a good thing, it wasn't a massacre, it was a successful military attack.
Massacred every single person in the villages they capture
Just like the people of that village massacred every single Palestinians living there a few decades ago.. and once again just straight up lying, they didn't massacre every single person in them, but the idf probably did.
Sold the land to the Jews then tried to take it back in war.
no
Iranian and Russian proxy
I might understand the Iranian part even though Hamas and every other resistance group in Palestine aren't a proxy, they just get some weapons... BUT HOW IS ANYONE A RUSSIAN PROXY TF?
Their founder of the state was a Nazi collaborator
Amin al-Husseini wasn't the founder of Palestine
Tried to take over Jordan
black September
Never identified as Palestinian before 1967
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Name invented by the Romans can't pronounce the "P" in Palestine
It's called "Falasteen" in Arabic, Also the "Balestine" part is just straight up racism against Arabs btw.
Destroyed Lebanon
No, there's shit ton of factors depending on what they mean by "Destroying Lebanon" like corruption secretarianism the LF who are supported by Israel and none of them were done by Palestine, they could've atleast said something about the Beirut bank robbery in 1976
Only invention is the suicide vest
Remember the racism from earlier? here it is back again, crackkkers always hit us global southeners with the "what did you invent?"
Converted water pipes donated by the EU into rockets
Gotta make rockets somehow, Gaza
Hold the world record for most plane hijackings.
they sadly stopped doing that.
Supports Saddam Hussein.
Just like every other point here, literally the only answer is either it's a lie or "so what?" just brainrot and this was a waste of my time
Isn't the water pipe thing not even true? The only evidence is a video that shows Hamas removing water pipes that SETTLERS HAD INSTALLED TO STEAL WATER.
Inventions... I guess they never heard of Hebron Glass, Israeli couscous (which guess what is a stolen traditionally Palestinian dish).
Isn’t the water pipe thing not even true? The only evidence is a video that shows Hamas removing water pipes that SETTLERS HAD INSTALLED TO STEAL WATER.
Yeah
Most of what's on this list are either reactions to the Zionist occupation or outright lies. There's always going to be the urge, arguably the necessity, to debunk these memes piecemeal, but perhaps consider what they are arguing for and evaluate the underlying assertion. The intent behind these lies is to dehumanize and therefore justify the extermination of the occupied Palestinians. By claiming the Palestinians are no angels, the Zionists can behave like demons. In reality, nothing can make wholesale slaughter and genocide righteous.
This is a very clumsy attempt at playing the hapless victim and frame their indiscriminate bombing campaigns as reasonable and moral reactions to Hamas terrorism. In reality, the alleged inhumanity and brutality of Hamas and the Palestinian resistance is the expected result of the white supremacist apartheid regime which oppresses them. Settlers will deliberately murder and steal until they provoke violent resistance, then use that violent resistance as both the justification to murder and steal even more and as retroactive justification of their preceding crimes. Do not fall for it.
Excellent point. This kind of "gish gallop" of misinformation has become increasingly common lately, because they know it is hard to argue against every single point. All we have to do is call out their behaviour for what it is and not play their games.
every last word of this could be the unvarnished truth and it still wouldn't justify israel's genocide
never identified as Palestinian before 1967
This is a photocopy of my grandfathers birth certificate. Born in 1930. Notice how it says Government of Palestine on it and lists his father's nationality as "Palestinian". Zionists will blatantly lie about literally anything and everything
ok let's go into detail:
countless of suicide bombings -> suicide bombings have been a tool out of desperation. if they had an iron dome, or a standing army for that matter, i don't think suicide bombings would happen. even in the oslo accords israel doesn't accept the formation of a palestinian army.
80% support of the 10/7 massacre -> you can find that percentage and even more in many other countries.
majority support for hamas -> i don't think hamas is inherently bad at politics. when you compare them with republicans and democrats of the us, they are better at social policies.
has death sentence for lgbt -> this is what queer palestinians think about october 7. and according to this article the situation is no more different than most countries. this point is in the lists for just one purpose: exploitation of queer people.
massacred every single person in villages they capture -> i guess they're confusing with iof. the fact that hamas has prisoners is seldom enough.
sold the land to jews then tried to take back in war -> this is so wrong on so many levels that this being a pivotal point in the matter is astoshing to me. most of the land that was sold was just swamp, and they paid good money for that. and most of those sold land belonged to the jordanian landlords. that land was so miniscule (~3% maybe) and the process was so slow that they had to occupy by force.
russian and iranian proxy -> there are so many factions with so many different political leanings that even they themselves couldn't gather under an umbrella since (edit: until) the october 7 attack. i'm not saying it's impossible but in a land where is imminent, this doesn't seem likely.
their founder of state was a nazi collaborator -> again, they're confusing with israel :)
rejected 5 different 2 state solutions, offered none -> even the best offer didn't include east jarusalem, didn't take into account the settlements and didn't allow for a standing army. who would accept this shit?
tried to take over jordan -> okay, now i'm convinced that they got palestine and israel mixed up.
never identified as palestinian before 1967 -> this is just outright lie.
destroyed lebanon -> i guess this is like that domestic abuse metaphor: do you see what you're making me do? otherwise, i don't have a clue.
only invention is the suicide vest -> first use was in world war 2 i guess, this is just racism: muslim = suicide bomber.
converted water pipes donated by the eu into rockets -> let's say for a minute that this is completely true (which it isn't). hamas is not a seperate entity from the gazan population. they don't live in the mountains or anything. when they convert these pipes, they don't get any water, either. but the reason gazans and even palestinians in the west bank don't have water isn't this. it's because of apartheid, concrete covering of water wells, destroying rainwater harvesting equipment, poisoning the acquifer etc.
holds the world record for most plane hijackings -> i talked about this in the other comment, pflp did hijacked planes in the seventies but i don't think it was more than a handful. and i don't have world leader board for plane hijackings in front of me, so i don't know, maybe?
supported saddam hussein while taking refuge in kuwait -> context is important for this one because last years of saddam hussein wasn't like his "golden" years. he couldn't gas the kurds that much. he was trying to stay in power among a sea of ambargos. this made his image a little more like a victim. and if i'm not mistaken, he financially supported palestinian resistance. so, it's understandable.
farfour the mouse -> weird.
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holds the world record for most plane hijackings -> i talked about this in the other comment, pflp did hijacked planes in the seventies but i don't think it was more than a handful. and i don't have world leader board for plane hijackings in front of me, so i don't know, maybe?
Hijacked a bunch of planes... but how many of the hostages died due to their actions? :thinking emote:
what an exhausting meme.
comrades who have addressed it point by point: I admire your patience and generosity
This feels like an excessively verbose Stonetoss comic.
I half expect to see a blue-haired liberal waving her hands and shouting "Palestinians are human beings just like us!" while a painfully generic bobble head stand in for the author gives the "check out this asshole" stare through the fourth wall.
one of the hijackings they did was helped by us 💪
This reads as if written by the Israeli meme ministry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Strategic_Affairs and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act.IL)
Found this old article that talks about the suicide bombing point, here's a guardian article on it
This doesn't matter.
We don't settle property rights by saying who is good or who is bad.
If I bought my house and you kicked me out using weapons, or doesn't matter if I'm ugly or bad and you are handsome or nice.
You don't go to court and say "I'm nicer than him, so the house is mine".
If you want my house, offer me to pay for it and maybe I accept. Maybe not.
