Between this and the capsaicin chip, maybe you should have some regulatory entity checking foods
I'm going to make a 6-pack of pre-packaged Moscow Mules where one can has like 2000mg of caffeine in it and call it Russian Roulette.
Kahlua already has caffeine in it. It seems more apt to be putting a fuck ton of caffeine in something that normally has none lol
If you wanna get real fucky about it I'm sure you could feed some cows so much caffeine it turns up in the milk
4loko had a normal amount of caffeine. This one's gotta start heart palpitations after the first sip.
I saw some type of alcoholic drink made by monster yesterday. These are truly the last days.
Inside of me there are two wolves - the personal responsibility neoliberal who is annoyed that people don't read the warnings and kill themselves, and the social responsibility communist that understands that it's ridiculous to expect everyone to make an informed decision before doing seemingly trivial things. The communist wolf is beating the shit out of the neoliberal one, don't worry.
Hey this is not a conflict at all , "Personal responibility" is complettly compatible with communism ,.. have you ever heard of "the Wall " ? 
actually the only reason that was justifiable was because the ruling class will only give up power by force
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"obligation" - check out this word , its not big in Angloida Culture , but its important. there are certain "obligations" you have to fullfill .. and when you dont ... you lose "coverage" only the fullfillment of "obligation" comits the other party to fullfill its "obligation" as well. A Contract commits both Parties .. Dont break it.
I disagree some obligations you are still bound by whatever the other party does. To give a microcosm argument if your wife cheats on you it's still wrong to beat her up.
Killing the romanovs was for the russians a sad necessity as otherwise they would have been weaponised and it was still a great wrong Nicholas and his wife less so but the kids that was actually wrong. It would have been far better to go the Puyi route or raise the children anonymously or something
"§ 241 Para. 1 BGB describes the performance obligations:
By virtue of the obligation, the creditor is entitled to demand performance from the debtor. The performance can also consist of an omission. "
in this case the Injured Party choose "omission" and you may have noticed , it worked very well , the Tsars have not violated any Obligation ever since.
that's the most German argument I've ever seen first off so congrats
German law is not morality. Your obligations are much deeper in truth than that law says
But libertarians said the market would regulate itself. People have stopped buying the deadly lemonade right?
Right?
I have actually read arguments made before the laws on food safety that unsafe food is good actually because the market trends towards replacing flour with sawdust because it's cheaper and poisoning everyone is good if the market said to
My mug filled with the lemonade that kills people has a lot of people asking questions already answered by the mug
Right? I didn't even know Panera had a caffeinated lemonade until it started killing people. Now I want.
i saw legal eagle's video, and then 2-3 posts about it here and i'm starting to get that insidious reinforcement. Starting to think about how long it's been since i had over-priced soup in an over-priced breadbowl.
Worry not, friends, it s not like there's a pandemic raging uncontrolled that makes people more susceptible to heart failure!
Hmm, what's that? THERE'S A WHAT?!?!?!
Don't worry, the census is redefining disability so we can't see the trends caused by the pandemic. Mission accomplished!
It was people doing zero research or testing and just making shit up.
It didn't secretly use egg or milk to thicken, dragonfruit contains pectin.
Chef Pii doesn't seem like a good person and early batches had packaging issues poorly and errors in the nutrition facts, but there's no evidence it was dangerous.
When asked whether her product was approved by the Food and Drug Administration, she stated that her product is not a "medical product", causing further backlash from commenters who noted that the Food and Drug Administration is responsible for regulating food alongside drugs
This got me lmao
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One TikTok user faked their death after consuming Pink Sauce as a "social experiment to see how quickly other people could spread misinformation"
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As of December 5th 2023, her GoFundMe is at $25,459 out of the $100,000 required, $24,240 of which came from a single donor.
but in all seriousness it would be fine if they just labeled this better, but it is advertised as much caffeine as coffee. but 390 mg for 30-oz is actually much less than coffee. sorry to be a downer, its very fun to say "the lemonade that kills people". they should also take away free refills and not let people serve themself.
The caffeine in coffee has a much lower bioavailability than in energy drinks like this though. Most of the caffeine is locked behind the crll walls in coffee and tea, and oir body has a lot if trouble accessing it. Energy drinks have pure caffeine added into them and it is much more readily available for our bodies to absorb.
To think of it another way, a typical joint with about a gram of marijuana has about 120-200mg of thc in it. Taking that much thc in an edible would absolutely blast you to the moon, but smoking just gets you regularly high.
ok intresting! that tracks but what is "pure caffeine"? because i saw it called green coffee extract, like what they have at starbucks. is this a marketing term for pure caffeine?
edit. yeah googling and im not sure its the same type of caffeine as in energy drinks. do you mean synthetic caffine? when you say pure caffeine? really trying to learn more. becaue just looking online it says that synthetic caffine is the one your body absorbs faster and this is not synthetic caffine. so the lemonade still may be in the clear lol.
Pure caffeine was pure wording on my part. "More refined" is what i should have said instead. Coffee and green tea extracts get mashed up and boiled, same as when we use them for regular coffee or tea, but then they will use a series of solvents to further break down the cell walls and further extract the caffeine.
i don't think there would be a chemical difference between synthetic & extracted caffeine. as near as i can tell "green coffee extract" is homeopath for the byproduct of water treated (possibly other methods) decaffination.
however the bioavailability stuff i can't verify, seems like we're doing our best to penetrate those cell walls with coffee/tea preparation, lol.
All I have is anecdote, but a 16oz monster doesn't get me any more wired than the ~18g of coffee beans in my morning cup. Caffeine estimates for my beans sits at about 144mg vs 140mg in a monster.
i've never really noticed any significant differences either. maybe bioavailability isn't the correct term for looking this up but i can't find any studies comparing ingestion methods vs. effects
It's more caffeine than you get from an equal volume of Red Bull. Dunno what coffee you're drinking.
just black coffee lol. 20-ounce light roast at panera has 384 mg of caffeine and thats ten oz less. edit, like what do you even mean what coffee are you drinking. any coffee literally any cup off coffee???
The 390 mg one is also the large. The regular clocks in at 260 I believe, which (while objectively not a small amount) is far more within the realms of sanity. Just don't go all Murica with the sizing and it shouldn't really be much of a concern.
The 390 is to skirt the FDA recommendation of 400mg per day while allowing a reasonable margin of error.
Unfortunately self serve fountains don't really imply "q per customer" so it was pointless.
This lemonade is the final ingredient to my Kahlua + 4loko based cocktail that I've been inventing.
I call it the Heart Palpatini.
It'll be drank by line cooks in 45°C kitchens everywhere. Which means it'll be consumed along with lines of cocaine in the walk in cool room.
Having all those circumstances together would be wild. You'd immediately turn to stone like you were making bedroom eyes at Medusa.
It's wild to think some confederate fuckface invented Alcohol/Cocaine Soda in the 1800s because he wanted a nice relaxing beverage to drink outside in the Southern heat while weening himself off of morphine lol
Alcohol/Cocaine Soda in the 1800s because he wanted a nice relaxing beverage to drink outside in the Southern heat
NGL that might make an awful hot and humid August day without A/C more bearable.
The bigger question, in my view, is why should Americans rely on a law firm, and the eventual decisions of a judge and jury in Delaware to decide what will effectively be a national standard for caffeinated lemonade? The answer is that the United States’ regulatory bodies are far too feeble to sufficiently protect the public against hazardous products, and so they essentially outsource this task to consumers and the lawyers who represent them. In peer nations—like, for instance, the United Kingdom—the government imposes strict and consistent regulations on the front end: It requires warning labels on drinks with more than 150 mg of caffeine and bans the sale of these drinks to children under 16. In the U.S., by contrast, the FDA barely regulates caffeine: It does not require manufacturers to include caffeine on the ingredient list of many caffeinated beverages, let alone disclose the amount of caffeine on the label. Nor does the U.S. government bar any consumers from buying ultra-caffeinated products, mandate an explicit warning label, or monitor advertisements. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/12/panera-charged-lemonade-that-kills-you-lawsuit-facts.html
having caffeine labels on products would blow my mind. i didn't even think about it until seeing this, but of course slightly-more-normal countries provide labels because it's a profoundly powerful drug. i have been steadily weaning myself down over the last decade--i used to be a complete freakshow--and it's not easy given how prevalent it is and how we have to look shit up online to know how much is in something. i would say i'm somewhere between 50-75 mg / day, with the occasional jump up to 150 mg which feels "intense". i can absolutely have days under 40 mg or even 0 mg and not get a headache or anything.... but i will really want to siesta in the afternoon lol. and now i really appreciate the perk of a cup of green tea or even black tea if i'm feeling daring.
one of these lemonades would fuck me up lmao.
Maybe if our economy didn’t normalize stimulants (as a function of maximum productivity output) this wouldn’t be a problem
I read a post here that resonated with me. Apparently one of the Chapo hosts (Chapo?) said "stimulants make you evil"
I don't do coffee or soda and I seldom have tea tea and often do the herbal stuff. It seems like one of those things where eventually you need it to feel normal
Colonization of the Americas pretty much doubled in awfulness once the upper class started loving tobacco. It's crazy how many atrocities were committed over coffee and cigs.
this shit absolutely needs to be regulated, but i won't act like the yuzu citrus flavor wasn't delicious and didn't have me wired all day.
smdh all I ask for every year is a lemon party on my birthday but nobody brings any
Also be careful with some of these energy drinks out there people, a Celsius has an insane amount of caffiene, like three red bulls for an 8.4oz
I want regular unhealthy snacks but I keep getting offers/coupons that only apply to all these weird drinks with caffeine levels measured in kilo Sieverts and the taste is fizzy septic sludge.
All caffeinated foodstuffs should have their caffeine content displayed on menus and the nutrition facts box.
Ngl, I’ve considered trying it with the death lemonade. That would require going to Panera though.
It seems absolutely ridiculous to me that's not already the case.
"Companies shouldn't be allowed to lubricate the downwards escalators and shake it occasionally."
That must be in a Murica size cup of coffee, then. A normal cup of coffee in countries not named the United States of America is roughly 250ml, and averages 80-110mg of caffeine depending on roast and blend, 95mg being the average.
Standard espresso shots are universally a 1oz/30ml shot, and contain 63-64mg of caffeine the world over.
A can of Red Bull has 80mg caffeine, so that Celsius has 2.5 times as much caffeine. They also sell the apparently more popular "Celsius HEAT" with 300mg of caffeine in the US. Both are illegal here in Canada, as CFIA mandates a maximum of 180mg caffeine per serving/container, no cheaty multi-serving cans allowed.
Starbucks is pretty famous for having weird (and often subjectively described as bad) espresso. While people are quick to point out that this is largely because they roast at much higher temperatures than other roasters, an often overlooked aspect is the fact that they massively overextract with a too-small grind to counter for the "shortness" of their shots, using too little water. This results in a smaller 0.75 oz shot of espresso that's bitter and has a higher caffeine content.
We could sit here all day and argue over whether the espresso the mastrena machine produes counts as a real shot, but I think the nail in the coffin there is that Italian regulators do not consider Starbucks' espresso to be espresso, and the only Starbucks in the nation is a Starbucks Reserve which does not use the mastrena machine or sell any standard Starbucks products you'd get in the US.
Doppio
Also that is two shots. Doppio is Italian for double. That would average like 125-130mg caffeine, but again, Starbucks espresso is weird.
Sorry for the effort post, I just care a lot about culinary chemistry and processing, kind of an interest of mine
additional thoughts
we could argue about how much caffeine regularly consume via drip coffee in the work place which is actually obscene. like 5 cups. they really overextract
especially since i was the only person who ever cleaned the plastic coffee dispensers when i was catering offices damn that shit was seasoned
i've worked at various places like starbucks and i think the italians can take a hike we do it better. you're right about the dark roast for shelf life that shit's garbage without cream and sugar
if we're doing fda style arguments over whether celsius is going too hard i think celsius lawyers would cite that numerous coffee roasters are emulating starbucks regardless of the objections from you or italians and serving people beverages with 200-450mg caffeine regularly
that's fine i just think people should be able to get the original 12oz coca cola with 300mg of caffeine and a little bump of coca extract
8.4oz is too small though
That must be in a Murica size cup of coffee
here in Canada
lol it’s the same country. Google “Tim Horton’s caffeine content”. Small is 140 mg, XL is 330 mg. 30ml espresso says 120mg.
That must be in a Murica size cup of coffee
I use what I consider a normal coffee mug that just fits 8 oz, and I get mocked at work for my “tiny” coffee mug…
@Mokey@hexbear.net that being said sucralose is genotoxic and im convinced taurine makes you smell musty
When I heard the news, I went to Panera for the first time in ten years to try the poison. I got the strawberry, I think. It was tasty lol.
I don't think there was cinnamon that advertised itself as a challenge to eat it by the spoon
Rookie stuff. Real heads fills a fire extinguisher with cinnamon, ties their friend to a lamp post and douse them with it.
spoonful of cinnamon
For the unaware like me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon_challenge
This drink seems like a trap for me, given how often my friends send me the "you're not ascending to godhood, you're sleep deprived and dehydrated" meme
A man drank 2.5 litres of caffeinated lemonade, totalling 1100+ mg of caffeine. He then died.
Theres probably a co-morbidity because the LD50 of caffeine is like 5000mg.
Still kinda irresponsible for them to put something stronger than energy drinks in a self serve drink fountain. They labelled it with "390mg caffeine per large serve" expecting the average American to know metric or have any frame of reference outside of people that read the FDA website (which also for some reason says 400 mg, in metric, for the recommended daily intake for an adult)
Yup, should have had an included warning ("X is the recommended safe daily amount of caffeine"), then again that's expecting a corporation to actually care about people which they do not (or expect to be punished when they harm them via negligence).
Let's be honest, it would just be like the fine print that says "drink responsibly" pasted on Everclear or some other 90% alcoholic spirit.
At least alcohol you can taste and if it's strong as hell you can feel. Someone attempting to just down some everclear is more than likely just gonna barf most of it back right up immediately and feel fucking terrible before they can do too much harm to themselves. It feels like you're doing damage. This could sneak up on people.
True, the smallest of fine print in the corner where it can still be legally defended as a "warning", this stuff should prolly get the 4Loko treatment and be removed from the public but sadly will prolly not
I have that frame of reference because I abused caffeine pills. I would carry them around in an Altoids container because they went down a little easier with a coating of Altoids dust. They were 200 mg apiece. I only exceeded two in a serving once and regretted it intensely, then failed the final for which I was attempting to cram. A two-pill drink is bonkers, and at Panera? I don't understand this place any longer.
I might be misremembering, but I think caffeine's ld50 is closer to 2000mg. 1000mg is enough for a normal person to suffer caffeine poisoning at any rate.
Oh, right. The lemonade... The lemonade from Panera, the lemonade chosen specially to kill people, Panera’s lemonade.
cigarette companies: you don't even get to eat it
