https://gizmodo.com/mri-machine-accidents-gun-shot-woman-butt-1851077446
The 57-year-old woman denied having any firearms before entering the MRI, according to an adverse event report filed to the FDA.
Why would you try to sneak a gun into any medical test area? Even if you didn't know an mri will fuck with a gun, what is the motivation to try to sneak a gun into a medical test room?
Holy shit I had a conversation the other day with a dude who said, "democrats just want to touch children and change their genitalia"
He went off about how democrats want to change pedophile name and be more accepting. I told him people don't say that. Only pedophiles do. He went off about how democrats are pedophiles.
He went off about how schools, doctors, and liberal agenda is allowing the mutilation of children's genitalia.
Taking something he says is fact and blowing into the massive majority of all Democrat fundamentals.
ask him what he thinks of circumcion without consent at young age and I bet he will defend that without hesitation
In that situation, the best thing to do is agree with them and then start telling them about how voting is a way for the goverment to track you and/or .. plant .. fucking alien brocolli seeds in your brain or something, so never ever vote
BTW, the justification for using different names for pedophiles - like minor attracted person - isn't to normalize child abuse.
Rather its to get people to seek and accepted help.
The real goal for us should be protecting kids. Not punishing people with dirty thoughts.
I think that's a good cause, but isn't the definition of a pedophile meaning one who likes young aged people? Minor attracted person is the same thing with extra steps. Same stigma, same thoughts, same people.
Get the help but unfortunately it may be one of the things that shouldn't be vocalized in a normal setting as most people are too narrow minded to help.
Removing stigma helps us talk about the issue. That's why MAP phrasing is promoted by those more concerned with child protection than virtue signalling.
These kinds of conversations are why I quit my last job. I couldn't take it anymore.
I'd get whole tirades like that and just be like...
"Ok...uh...sure...so...welcome to the library, did you want to print something or...?"
Some times it’s difficult to tell if a person like that is serious or just seriously trolling you. However, I have met people who say some of the wildest things about wikipedia, vaccines, police, governments etc. and they seemed very serious to me.
it's literally doublethink (literally 1984!!!!) as it's both. They seriously adopt a facetious position to troll and believe it wholeheartedly should be policy and law.
Yes, it doesn't make any sense. That's deliberate too.
He's been a friend for a while. It's his actual thoughts. He's stuck in the feedback loop.
Cowardice. People that think they need a gun on them at all times are paranoid cowards... Which also makes them the last people who should be able to own a gun.
People shouldn't have guns. Simple as that.
Who the hell decided allowing every civilian a fully functional firearm is a good idea
People who were aware of Protestants being murdered by the King of England. People who were aware of the Salem Witch Trials. People who have seen over and over again the natural tendency of power to collect in fewer and fewer hands until there's a revolution and a bunch of bloodshed.
People who understood that power is best kept distributed. People who understood that small groups of citizens needed to have some real kind of threat against tyrannical government actors.
That doesn't mean you need to allow every psychopath have a gun, especially the ones who talk about murdering their peers or are known to torture and kill animals.
I believe well regulated militias are still relevant to this day.
This is such a weird take, but I hear it a lot. Many of the people I work with carry and very few of them are like that.
I think there are cultural differences, though. City people are more likely to be that way, but for the more rural or country guys it's the same as me carrying a knife all the time. It's just something that's done.
Not so weird... A Knife I can understand. There are a number of uses for a knife beyond being an offensive or defensive weapon. I'm not a knife person, personally, but even I have a few to cut food, or open sealed boxes. I've seen knives used to cut bindings and they can even be used to craft art (whittling being an art form where the knife is the primary tool of choice)!
A gun? Outside of a legit, active warzone? A gun either says you're hunting, or your scared. That's it! I have all the respect for a hunter going into the forests to hunt game animals. I do love myself a burger and a steak... but in a public setting? What're you hunting? What utility is a gun in a public Walmart?
I understand it seems that way to you, but it doesn't to them. It's just kind of normal.
A coworker had a deer run in front of his truck Monday morning and it didn't die from the impact, so he shot it.
Because they might be part of LGBTQIA+ and have a very real threat against them for example.
Arguing against guns is a very priviliged stance. Of course you don't feel like you need guns if you are not part of a minority group.
Routinely carrying a concealed handgun can create considerable difficulties when a person unexpectedly ends up somewhere they can't do so. Leaving it in a car is a significant risk for theft (and stolen guns get used for bad things). Leaving it with medical staff isn't great. Leaving it unattended outside an exam room presents obvious dangers to anyone who might happen upon it.
It's hard to find yourself in an MRI room without adequate warning that anything magnetic will become a projectile though. I think most places give the patient both written and verbal warnings, and the article here says this patient was warned about metal and specifically about guns.
They literally give you a locker when you go in for an MRI because you have to spend so long naked. This was never a problem for her. She's just stupid.
Facilities vary. I didnt have secure storage when I got an MRI, but I didnt bring a gun or anything else unreasonable to leave unattended.
The question wasn't whether she's stupid (clearly she is), but why someone would bring a gun into a medical exam.
Interesting, I don’t remember a locker either, but it was just my phone and keys, because I’m not an idiot
But the MRI confiscated my gunz! What part of, "shall not be infringed" does it not understand?!
Own the libs
Personally I'm always very offended when someone wounds themselves in a profoundly stupid and preventable manner. I truly hope they don't do it again, that would be terrible. 😉
Is this different in the states? In Germany every time I had to enter one of those I had to put away every single metallic item on me, including piercings and shit. They warn you very thoroughly that you cannot bring metal objects with you because of the high magnetic forces of the machine.
That's just not true. They absolutely do tell you not to take anything metal with you. So this woman clearly ignored those warnings.
You can't tell me that in the land of lawsuits doctors wouldn't tell you not to take metal objects into an MRI
This statement is categorically false. I have had quite a few MRIs over several decades (knee bullshit), and every single time I have gone in, the staff is crystal clear about the fact that you do not bring in anything metallic, full stop, no exceptions, because it can potentially kill you if it gets pulled forcefully in the wrong direction.
Anyone working at an MRI facility who ignores the rules around magnetic objects is going to definitely destroy equipment and perhaps maim or kill people, and is thus a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Ive only done it once, but I also thought they could have stressed this way more, and probably ought to be graphic about the results, to catch these dumb fucks. However, they also waved a metal detector over me. Shouldn’t that catch things like guns? Is this common practice, or do I just look like an idiot?
You can’t. My guess is, it was a party or off the clock silliness.
You can’t even wear your own clothes in those machines. Hospital gowns couldn’t handle the weight of even the smallest handgun.
The details are purposely scant because it had to be reported but they didn’t want to share what really happened.
Had an MRI a couple of weeks ago. Wore my own clothes. Tech did say I should lower my trousers to my knees when I pointed out that there was a fly zip, but didn’t seem too bothered.
I had a head MRI a few weeks ago. They didn't make me take off my clothes, they just triple checked I had nothing metal on me or inside me by asking me several times.
There don't need to be additional details. She snuck a gun into the MRI room and found out why you shouldn't do that.
I read this story as the MRI machine being the good guy and successfully defending itself
Firearms should be standard issue for all MRI machines to stop this from happening in the future.
The problem wasn't that she had a gun, the problem was her non-specific mental illness.
I can see the thinking that lead to this. But in my mind, it boils down to one bad decision after other, concealing the firearm because each step forward carries worse consequences. It's basically the clown-makeup meme:
Do we need airport-style backscatter x-rays prior to MRI procedures now? In hindsight, it seems like cheap insurance.
Thank you for the hypothetical explanation. I was utterly unable to figure out how something so insane actually happened. This at least makes some sort of sense.
It looks like it is on all new or renovated MRIs, which makes this all the more concerning.
imo you could leave the bullets with the clothes and throw the gun in the toilet or something.
It's bizarre to me that a basic scan with a metal detector wand isn't required before walking into the MRI chamber.
A bit of trivia: it used to be called NMRI, nuclear magnetic resonance imaging. They dropped the N after it became clear people didn't want to go in the machine because they were afraid of radiation. That's why it's called MRI now.
In Chemistry (where it originated) it is still called NMR. There is no image produced, but a spectrum (graph).
If chemists were worried about nuclear magnetic resonance because of potential radiation, I'd be more worried about those chemists!
Chemists and microbiologists are worried about obscure little things you and I haven’t even heads of. But, oh boy are those things nasty. You know, nightmare stuff like acid that slips through your skin and eats your bones or breathing a single spore that is enough to kill you. Such delightful people to have lunch with.
And see this is the kind of reason I'm nervous about actual space travel and think "hard sci-fi" is a lot less fun sometimes.
Fun fact, bringing nmr stuff across borders is very difficult once border security realises N stands for nuclear.
Funny tangential story here.
I used to design electronics. One product is a black box with just a couple of LED lights on the front and an LED display. It also gets inserted into a special socket, from which it gets it's power. So no power cord and it can only be powered on if we have the much larger thing it gets plugged into. Of course, I needed to power it on to demonstrate it to customers, so I took apart one of the sockets that it goes into, and ran a power cord off of it so I could plug it into the wall (it runs off of ~120 VAC).
I figured to make my life easier, so I didn't have to constantly plug and unplug it, I would put a switch on it. So I just glued a red switch on the side and wired it all up.
Then I went through airport security with it. Ended up being pulled aside for about an hour as they questioned me about it and scanned the thing damn near 20 times. It was like every TSA agent in the area was watching the scans as it went through. I was talking to the head TSA guy who said "Man, I know you're fine. However, this is precisely one of the things we are told to look out for: homemade devices with switches on them. Did you have to make it red?" lol
He eventually got some higher up on the phone and it was clear from the one-side of the conversation I heard that the higher up was like "if you think the guy is fine, let him through" and so I was let through. Barely made my flight tho. Glad we got there really early.
Wow what a story. That would be NERVE WRACKING.
I'm glad to hear stories about those kinds of law enforcement folks though.
"Look I'm just trying to make sure everybody's safe, I don't think I'm Jack Bauer here."
Rather than the comical assumption usually perpetrated by Hollywood that you'd be thrown down and have a K9 chewing on your leg and half the airport aiming at you with alarms going off Lol.
Mainly I was nervous that I might miss my flight. The only moment I got a little scared was when the lady first pulled it out, said something like "What is this?" and I went to reach for it to show her. . .and she was like "You can't touch that!" It was at that point I realized I was going to be delayed getting through security. But for the most part everyone was very nice and unconcerned. It was even comical at times, like when they kept running it through the machine, each time bringing someone else over to look as well.
I was much more nervous when, doing the same type of sales, I got pulled away into customs in Canada, separated from my co-worker, him carrying all of the information, with no cell phone because my phone didn't work up there. At least that time we were smart enough to send the equipment ahead of us. lol
Ah, the same kind of people who are worried about phone radiation while spending days roasting on the beach every summer.
"Do not take if you are pregnant, planning to become pregnant, or you are allergic to NMRI's"
Side effects may include third nipples, club foot syndrome, blindness, and death.
Edit: spelling
As she was about to enter the machine, the gun was attracted to the powerful magnet inside it and fired off a single round into and through her right buttock. Luckily, the bullet barely penetrated her skin and the doctor on site described her entry and exit wounds as “very small and superficial.”
There is no way the MRI wasn't damaged. Other hospital go'ers will be footing that bill. She should be garneshed wages for the rest of her life until those repairs are paid.
"Lucky" would be the bullet being lodged in her body, doing no further damage except to her idiot self so she would learn her lesson without impacting others.
This person took a loaded gun into a hospital, and then into the giant magnet room. Not sure they're capable of learning any kind of lesson.
Your comment started quite the debate here. Everyone needs to slow down and realize there's insurance on the machine and the insurance even covers morons with guns. Might the insurance company go after her? Sure, they'd probably sue her homeowner's insurance, because when in doubt that seems to be what happens. They'd never go after the individual for this, unless it was maybe intentional.
Hospital goers will foot the bill regardless, because that's what we do here in the good old US of A.
The end of your comment is where I was focusing before. Insurance is a for-profit business. Rates most certainly go up for the hospital, which gets transferred to other patients. Reference: worked with hospitals, medical devices, and insurance.
If the bullet exited through the opening in the machine then it may not have struck it at all. Typically a waist holstered gun will have it's barrel pointing down, in the general direction of the carrier's feet, which happens to be towards the opening of the MRI. I think it's entirely plausible the machine wasn't damaged.
Of course that means the bullet would have gone sailing into the opposite wall, which is extremely dangerous. Depending on the wall and caliber it easily could have penetrated the wall and injured/killed someone on the other side.
Having her money taken for the rest of her life is not a good response. Ofcourse she's a fucking dumbass, but having her life destroyed because of that one moment is not adequate.
The problem of healthcare in the USA is way more severe than a destroyed MRI machine.
"Garnished" means to take an amount small enough not to diminish her means of survival. She just wouldn't have her luxuries.
Even in single payer systems, dumbasses should be fined for damages.
FWIW, in the US, seems like you're 'guaranteed' that you'll keep 30 hours worth of minimum wage per week. the minimum wage is abysmal, so ~870 a month, which isn't really enough to survive on in many places. I suspect it would be terribly difficult to pay rent, gas/electric, buy food, pay for public transport and/or gas.
I think this person was dumb. I think they fucked up badly. I think garnishment could make sense if the terms were more reasonable. But I think the current terms could absolutely be detrimental to ones survival.
Title III also protects individuals by limiting the amount of earnings that may be garnished in any workweek or pay period to the lesser of 25 percent of disposable earnings or the amount by which disposable earnings are greater than 30 times the Federal minimum hourly wage prescribed by Section 6(a) (1) of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938. This limit applies regardless of how many garnishment orders an employer receives. The Federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour. Source
I agree with you. I feel like there is too often a “throw the book at them!” reaction to every wrong or mistake, maybe especially in the US. Which explains the hyper punitive justice system and the highest prison population in the world.
Well since this is a thread about the article, one would assume you'd be on-topic.
Also you have 0 evidence that her life is destroyed. An MRI isn't very expensive if you're insured, and she's almost certainly insured, because she, ya know, got a fucking MRI.
So what exactly was the point there?
I read the chain, and it's 2 comments long, and that one person randomly brought up healthcare systems as a total non-sequitor.
The original comment is about her damaging the machine. It stands to reason this person thought she was on the hook for the damages, which is never discussed in the article, nor is damage confirmed.
She should be garneshed
"Should" being the operative word here. The top level comment using should "in auxiliary function to express obligation, propriety, or expediency."
The next poster says that this is "not a good response" because it would destroy her life.
They are disagreeing over what should happen, not what is happening.
MRI machines cost between $150,000 to $3,000,000. To me, specifically, that's prohibitively expensive. I assume given the circumstances she's in a significant amount of trouble, with a lethal weapon being grossly mishandled to the point of putting others lives at risk. But, to your credit, that assumption was not clearly attributed in the original post. I think the important thing here is not the disagreements we have in the comments, but the up votes we get along the way.
Lucky it wasn't worse. You can't have any metal on in a huge rotating magnet. Dumb is gonna dumb.
Oh no. A CT scanner is a giant rotating electromagnet. An MRI is a giant quantum electromagnetic tube. It’s so, so much worse. It is literally unpredictable as to what might happen with metal inside of it. She’s lucky she wasn’t literally torn to shreds.
Ah thanks for the clarification! And you are right about torn to shreds. I recommend people go watch those videos that show what happens with metal in MRI machines.
The M could have really been for Murder! (Well, probably more like Manslaughter, but close enough.)
Eek wait until they reverse this. "If you can survive the MRI machine, you can get on the plane." Lol
It was clearly contraband when we know MRI are supposed to function at the band^width of 1 MHz to 300 MHz
Weird that they didn't have her change into a gown first. Or maybe they did, in which case where did she put-- you know what never mind that's enough internet for today
She got off way easier than the metal butt plug guy. This one was just a flesh wound.
Do not read the link on butt plug.
I now have severe pain in my entire stomach just from reading that.
Though oxygen tank story is even more terrifying
A true full is something you earned yourself
It's right there, in the article, happy questing!
The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with an MRI machine.
as that commonly-repeated defense goes
Woman Enters MRI Machine With a Gun,
(Gets Shot in the Butt)
She been a dumbass since a teen, you know she dat one,
(Face like a mutt)
Woman enters MRI machine with a gun, GETS SHOT IN BUTT
She had it easy else headline would've been, DIES OF VAG SMUT
you're supposed to swap to your attack dog and wooden baseball bat loadout when you enter an MRI room, dipshit
There are idiots in this world, and there are bigger idiots, and well, there are American gun owners.