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The danger is to the entire courthouse — and Trump's intentions are clear: legal expert

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-gag-order-2666360256/

If Donald Trump cared about his impact on the people he attacks, he would have stopped after seeing the 275 pages of single-spaced threats just one staffer in the New York court received. Speaking to MSNBC about the matter on Sunday, former federal prosecutor Joyce Vance, who co-hosts the "Sisters ...

The danger is to the entire courthouse — and Trump's intentions are clear: legal expert

46 comments

PunnyName

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He needs to be jailed for many things. But especially Stochastic Terrorism.

eestileib

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Unfortunately the legal system from the Attorney General to the fbi to judge are scared of him.

This is a person who a judge found to have committed insurrection but decided he should not face the loss of eligibility clearly specified in the constitution because "the president is not an officer of the United States".

If they're willing to just make shit up like that, he's already won.

Raine_Wolf

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As if THE PRESIDENT is NOT the HIGHEST officer the United States has.

eestileib

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You'd think that the "Oath of Office" being specified in the constitution would provide a hint.

BenadrylChunderHatch

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Commander in Chief.

AstridWipenaugh

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I've read that was actually a good strategy. She ruled that he absolutely did so an insurrection. Then she said the law doesn't apply because a weird easily reversible interpretation. So it's going to get appealed and easily reversed in a higher court based on a review of the law's inclusion of POTUS as an officer, not relitigating the insurrection part. She gets to skip the death threat phase for herself and alli oops this one for the higher court to slam dunk. I hope that's the case.

eestileib

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Frankly, that's turd-polishing.

This judge made a crazy decision in order to dodge her responsibility.

Boddhisatva

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Trump's team are already appealing the ruling that he engaged in insurrection. The hearing is set for Dec 6th, so they will be re litigating that part.

Raine_Wolf

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I think the fear is that the higher courts also don't want death threats, so everyone and their mother is gonna keep trying to pass this around. Which is what Trump wants to happen until he can try to get re-elected in 2024 and then pardon himself.

ghostdoggtv

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The judge argues that commander in chief is not a military office under 14a3. Power loves cowards

eestileib

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It lists a shitload of non-military officers as being made ineligible by the same clause. I don't see how that's relevant.

FuglyDuck

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Just call it terrorism. "Stochastic" has too many syllables.

be_excellent_to_each_other

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Someone is going to do things like Trump does and suffer real consequences for them one day. Not Trump, but someone.

WolfhoundRO

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But until then, Trump should be the supreme example setter and get at least one life sentence out of all the shit he has done

TWeaK

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Comments from a podcaster. No new updates.

ZeroCool

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Comments from a podcaster.

Her name is Joyce Vance and she was the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama from 2009 to 2017.

TWeaK

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And now she's a podcaster. Her career is really blossoming.

You're also talking about a lawyer in Alabama commenting on legal proceedings in New York. She did not pass the bar in New York.

Has she actually said anything meaningful here? Something no one else has put forward? I don't think so, I don't think there will be anything meaningful until the judge in New York actually makes the next ruling.

ZeroCool

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And now she’s a podcaster. Her career is really blossoming.

Just so we're all on the same page, this is all their comment said before they got buried in downvotes and started editing multiple times to try and dig their way out while pretending to have been making reasonable point the whole time.

TWeaK

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while pretending to have been making reasonable point the whole time.

What new update was she providing?

TWeaK

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My comment hasn't removed anything, I've added 2 more lines, in 2 successive edits. The first edit was made when I had 3 upvotes and 6 downvotes.

My point still stands, and you've done nothing to challenge it.

tillary

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What do ya have against podcasting? It's educational, informative, it's free speech. I learn so much from them.

TWeaK

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I don't have much against podcasting as such, except for the fact that it's primarily entertainment, not necessarily educational or informative. If your main goal when listening to them is to learn you would do well to fact check.

My issue here is that this story is not news. It's a fluff opinion piece, one that doesn't say anything that hasn't already been said a dozen times over.

I want to know what's happening in the trial. I don't want to be bogged down with padded out opinion pieces. We're awaiting the ruling from the judge, this article is just a distraction.

Johnny5

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Apparently other people want other things… like civil discourse and pertinent analysis. just move along already

TWeaK

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Hang on, where have I not been civil? You're ganging up on me and making out like I'm the bad guy, when others among you have been directly insulting towards me.

My comment was valid, there are no new updates here, just needless commentary on what should be obvious. Commentary that a practising lawyer wouldn't normally give, but a podcaster would.

If you want me to move on, then don't reply to me and pull me back into this thread.

dangblingus

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Your argument is that a podcaster shouldn't be listened to. We all hear you, and disagree. Please move on.

youngGoku

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Trump is a disgrace I hope he goes to jail.

TWeaK

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Agreed. I believe the injunction will be reinstated - but that's for the judge to call, not a retired prosecutor from another state.

Nastybutler

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The key word in "federal prosecutor" is federal. Since you don't seem to know what that word means, let me help remedy your staggering ignorance. It means they represent the US government. So what state she worked in is irrelevant. Does that help, or should I use pictures and memes?

TWeaK

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I think I could be forgiven for assuming that a state prosecutor works at the state level, not the federal level. US legal structures are far from intuitive.

If you have a separation between state law and federal law, one would imagine that there is a difference between state prosecutors and federal prosecutors. A district attorney for a state sounds like someone who works at the local state level, not the nationwide federal level. But yeah, apparently a state district attorney can prosecute federal charges, TIL.

otter

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Aww, TWeaK the twat has earned a block. 🖕🏽🤣

TWeaK

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Lmao someone who I haven't even spoken to feels the need to announce that they're blocking me...

FlyingSquid

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What relevance does her being a podcaster have to anything?

TWeaK

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That's her current career. She isn't actively practising law.

FlyingSquid

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Okay? And? Do you have to be actively practicing law in order to understand it?

TWeaK

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No, but a practising lawyer wouldn't comment on the case in the way she has. She's behaving like a podcaster first, lawyer second.

Frankly to me it comes across like she's only doing it so people might look up her podcast. The comments in this thread have gone on so long I think I probably will, too.

FlyingSquid

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How do you know a practicing lawyer wouldn't have said that? Are you a practicing lawyer?

dangblingus

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Speaking into a microphone bad?

TWeaK

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It's certainly a step down from being a District Attorney.

lolcatnip

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I imagine it's a whole lot less stressful.

TWeaK

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Yeah I agree. And I don't knock her for doing it (I've even queued up one of her podcasts), I imagine she's made enough money that she's just doing it for fun and a bit of side cash in her retirement. That's no bad thing.

I still feel like this article has no real substance. If anything, it's more of an ad for her podcast than a meaningful analysis.

Transporter_Room_3

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I don't knock her for doing it

Well, as we can all see the original comments in this thread, this was determined to be a lie.