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Israel unveils what it claims is a major Hamas militant hideout beneath Gaza City's Shifa Hospital

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-war-gaza-shifa-tunnels-hamas-c71ebee136e018fd5a3572a54040f73e

Israeli military officials have shown a group of international journalists a small living quarters they found in a tunnel underneath Shifa Hospital, claiming that the space had been used by Hamas militants.

Israel unveils what it claims is a major Hamas militant hideout beneath Gaza City's Shifa Hospital

Dozens of soldiers escorted journalists through a narrow stone tunnel — which the military said stretched 150 meters (164 yards) — to a series of underground bunkers beneath Shifa Hospital in a shattered Gaza City.

The living quarters, located at the end of the tunnel, had an air conditioner, kitchen, bathroom and pair of metal cots in a room fashioned from rusty white tile. They appeared to be out of use.

The AP was allowed access to Gaza on the condition that its journalist stay with the Israeli military convoy throughout the four-hour tour and submit all material to a military censor ahead of publication. There is no other way for foreign journalists to currently access the enclave.

21 comments

halfempty

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I am very skeptical of anything coming out of the information war related to this conflict.

deegeese

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IDF built that bunker in the last uprising.

Brendan

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Just learned this myself.

girlfreddy

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Holy shit! That's freaking crazy!

bustrpoindextr

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I've never heard that guy before but he's purposely ignoring things to make the other side seem idiotic, which is not a good faith argument.

You can't say Hamas is not using human shields. They are, they've even bombed some of them and spread disinformation that Israel did it to make Israel look even worse, it was one of their first moves after Oct 7th.

The only valuable bit of the link you posted was the CNN clip from the Israeli guy. I'm only leaving this comment in hopes that people think about the echo chambers they get in. Echo chambers are incredibly powerful and with regards to this conflict, very dangerous. It's an incredibly complex situation with the only innocent parties being the civilians on both sides.

Neither civilian group wants either of the current leaderships in play, but those leaderships are what caused this and are perpetuating it.

girlfreddy

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the CNN clip from the Israeli guy

That "Israeli guy" is former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak.

Jayzuz.

bustrpoindextr

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Sooooo he's an Israeli guy...

Yeah, you really got me there. And I said that bit was valuable...

Jayzuz.

NoneOfUrBusiness

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They are, they’ve even bombed some of them and spread disinformation that Israel did it to make Israel look even worse, it was one of their first moves after Oct 7th.

When did they do that?

bustrpoindextr

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https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2023/10/18/u-s-intel-indicates-israel-didnt-bomb-gaza-hospital-00122197#:~:text=A%20day%20after%20a%20horrific,indicates%20Israel%20wasn't%20responsible.

NoneOfUrBusiness

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Yeah I guessed you'd say that. The thing is: There's other data that does suggest Israel did bomb the hospital, but leaving that aside the Israeli story is that a PIJ rocket misfired and hit the hospital. This means it's:

1-Not Hamas, and:

2-Not something they did to make Israel look worse.

You're currently spreading misinformation.

bustrpoindextr

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Third party data shows it was Hamas. You can't just say no.

the Israeli story is that a PIJ rocket misfired and hit the hospital. This means it's:

No the third party, not even Israeli, story is.

It literally couldn't have been Israeli and it was Hamas or some other local area bombing, which means it couldn't have been Israel.

NoneOfUrBusiness

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Third party data shows it was Hamas.

No? As I just said, the Israeli (and consensus) position is that a PIJ missile misfired. It wasn't Hamas and it wasn't a false flag operation, as you claim.

Also here's some third party data.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVQALHmgo8U

breakfastmtn

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Interesting anecdote, I guess? It's more of an issue of who's using them than who built them though. If Hamas is using these bunkers as command posts (or any military purpose) under the hospital, Israel having built them 20 years ago doesn't change anything.

I've seen a lot of people posting this recently and, unless I'm missing something, it feels like a little bit of misdirection.

Omegamanthethird

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People have used the existence of the bunkers as evidence of a command post and ill intent. Clarifying that the bunkers were preexisting eliminates a lot of presumptions. Clarifying that Israel built them means that they know their existence isn't nefarious in and of itself.

bedrooms

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The living quarters, located at the end of the tunnel, had an air conditioner, kitchen, bathroom and pair of metal cots in a room fashioned from rusty white tile. They appeared to be out of use.

Israel has not yet unveiled [the command] center, but the military portrayed the underground hideout as its most significant discovery yet.

The justification by Israel to destroy the hospital was that it was a command center. Apparently, AP is skeptical of this claim.

Rapidcreek

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Guess the walls aren't filled with monitors as a good command center should be. Those goalposts are traveling at light speed now.

czech

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Every good command center has a pair of metal cots in a room fashioned from rusty white tile that appear to be out of use. That should be enough for anyone!

Rapidcreek

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Yeah, cause it's really easy to move a king sized bed though an underground tunnel.

cybervseas

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Maybe the required hardware for IDF to stage the command post is flying at light speed?

Zaktor

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pair of metal cots in a room fashioned from rusty white tile. They appeared to be out of use.

"Major Hamas militant hideout".

They ascribe the claim to Israel, so it's not technically false, but man is it completely abdicating any responsibility to convey truth to the reader.