Just watch it. If you like it then you like it. The constant pressure of societal influence ruins so many things.
I have been living by this philosophy for a while and I'm not going back. I try to only discuss movies I've already seen with the people in my life, I don't watch trailers, and I don't read reviews (at least until I've seen it). It's really nice, I feel like I enjoy the experience more this way
It’s a lot of fun! Tatiana kills the role. Remember She Hulk is like Deadpool in terms of tone.
I had so many scenes where I burst out laughing, it honestly was a breathe of fresh air compared to the other the tv series.
It's fine. I don't recall where I read it, but treat it like a Saturday Morning Cartoon. Some fun stuff happens, it's weird, I'm not sure it all makes sense.
Don't expect anything big.
I think the show could have been excellent, but what we got is fine.
I played spider man 2 all the way to the end & loved it, and then my friend told me it was bad because it panders to different groups of people.
Don’t let outside opinions ruin your good time.
my friend told me it was bad because it panders to different groups of people.
That's just idiotic. Too much pandering can be bad, but a lot of times it's just trying to be inclusive. Why not throw a little fan service to different people to get them interested in something?
100%. His argument was that international version didn’t have that stuff and I said, well they could have not done anything here in the US but they decided to show a more complete and diverse NY, so that’s progress to me. None of it bothered me while playing.
Oh wow, do you know what specifically they removed? Oh wait, I haven't played yet, so maybe I don't want to know yet.
Truly, I watched it, and I enjoyed it, then by my definition it's not bad.
I watch to be entertained, not to nitpick and compare the content to real world issues.
My wife and I watched it and enjoyed the first few episodes, but then it took a turn and became just stupid. My wife was the first to call it, I agreed and we stopped watching it.
Incels are not the majority of any real demographic outside of their own group. It's really weak to use that as an excuse for mediocre movies and shows. There are way more normal people that if it were good it still would've picked up.
Well said.
I, and I feel like most people, are perfectly willing to give any creative work a fair shot, and indeed, female leads in traditionally male roles offer a new opportunity to tell a new story, which is great in this time of endless remakes, reboots, and sequels nobody asked for.
...but just like it's not fair for viewers to dislike a work just because of a female lead, it's just as unfair for the creators (and critics) to expect viewers to like a work just because of a female lead.
Too often these days, it seems like the discourse surrounding such movies is simply a straightforward test of: "Did you like this movie? If not, you're a misogynist."
Unfortunately this misses the possibility (intentionally, at times) of viewers who didn't like a work for any number of fair and valid reasons, from fairly objective weaknesses to simple subjective preferences. Even people who wouldn't have liked the same movie even if it were cast with traditional male actors filling the roles as expected.
This does a disservice to women (or whatever unrepresented demographic takes center stage in the work) by shackling the merits of gender and/or racial equality to an artistic work for which criticism will necessarily be highly subjective...and from that point it just makes a fundamentally strong and simple truth ("We should value everyone, regardless of gender or race") and corrupt it to the point that the message that's really coming across in these conversations is sadly more the unspoken suggestion that these groups need this movie to prove their worth.
Which is nonsense.
Women are perfectly capable of kicking ass without having a movie tell us so. A shit movie about women can still be a shit movie without changing the truth of women being incredible. And we should all be able and willing to make a distinction between negative sentiment for a movie featuring women, negative sentiment for the performance done by female actors, and negative sentiment toward women in general.
Exactly. I'm so sick of this excuse that any female-led project that doesn't blow up only does so because people hate women. Ghostbusters (2016) was the first one I remember it being the big talking point. That movie was just not good, and it had nothing to do with the female leads.
I enjoyed She-Hulk. It wasn't great and there were moments that made me cringe, but overall it was ok. I love Tatiana Maslany (if anyone hasn't watched Orphan Black yet, what are you doing with your life?) and can't wait to see more of her in the MCU.
It's a fun show. The ending didn't quite land right, but whatever; it's not the kind of series where that matters. Also, I didn't have any problem with the CGI and don't understand why so many people are complaining about it; probably they're just the CGI equivalent of audiophiles and should be ignored by any who don't share that particular affliction.
I don't agree with the CGI part. It wasn't Black Panther bad. But there are a lot of moments where it looks off. But it also didn't have the budget of Infinity War or anything, so it's okay to not be as impressive.
I'm not usually super nitpicky with that stuff and it didn't ruin the show. But it was noticeable.
She-Hulk was actually a bit better than Ms Marvel and Hawkeye, in my opinion.
MoonKnight and Loki are better yet, though.
I feel like the average writing quality of this phase is not as good as some of the previous phases, but that's not a She-Hulk-specific phenomenon.
The writers are more comfortable giving male characters significant flaws, and that consequently makes those characters more fun to watch.
The show fails at comedy and that was the central item that was supposed to hold it together.
The problem is the the show is supposed to be absurd and doesn’t get there. The jokes don’t land and that wrecked the premise.
She hulk is a supposed to be a tongue in cheek takedown of the marvel’formula’ she calls out each item as it happens.
The tone they hit is about. Halfway where it needs to be where they want the main character taken seriously at times and irreverent at others.
The twerking scene is a perfect example of this. There is no reason for Megan thee stallion to have Jen as a lawyer. So it should be absolutely insane that a lawyer declares that she will kill for a client then starts busting a move with them. It should be so far outside of the norm for lawyers and the characters that it feels like a flash mob performing’never going to give you up’. Spoiler it doesn’t, it feel like just another set up joke. It never hits the line right between jokey and serious.
The finale didn’t land because it felt too serious. It was supposed to be gut ripping funny when she hulk travels from marvel show to the main menu.
It was a HEAVY lift to write and they didn’t get there. The main actor wasn’t charming enough to pull off the character development and comedy scenes. the vfx obscured any nuance in performance.
It was halfway between falling down and Ferris bulers day off and that’s not a good thing.
Guardians Holiday Special < She Hulk < Miss Marvel < Secret Invasion < Hawkeye < Falcon and Winter Soldier < Moon Knight < Loki < Wandavision.
Disney+ shows don't suck as much as the haters hate them. The ones on the top are actually really really good.
I think they really let themselves experiment and get weird with the D+ shows, which I think is a GOOD thing, even if it resulted in some REALLY cringy moments in She-Hulk and Miss Marvel and some "... what are you doing?" moments in Secret Invasion and Hawkeye.
In general, the MCU seems to be striking out a lot on the sillier end of things lately. Makes me anxious about Deadpool.
So much of what Star Wars does these days has the feel of filler. Like Dave Filoni is giving ChatGPT three or four climactic moments and then letting it write the rest of the show. MCU does NOT feel like that to me, even at it's worst.
You put Secret Invasion above things? Yikes, dude. I can understand putting She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel lower than other stuff, because they were more targeted to specific audiences and didn't necessarily have the same mass appeal as the others, but they are good at what they were attempting to do, even if you don't love what they were trying. Secret Invasion didn't even seem to know what it was trying to do, but it failed at every level.
It's just not in the same category in my brain. It had some of the best episodes and some of the worst episodes, but I really feel like it's it's own thing.
And also Werewolf by Night, which was the most slept-on genre production of the past year.
Tbh What If was probably my least favorite of all the marvel shows. Closely followed by Wearwolf By Night.
I never watched She-Hulk though
It was good until the last 1 or 2 episodes. It was the pacing/story that made it bad. Nothing to do with the themes of women empowerment or anything.
Honest opinion - it was just below mediocre. Very undercooked and you could feel how the producers jumbled around the episodes and changed things. Like most of the marvel shows it feels very amateurish and part of the reason Feige\Iger are changing things with marvel studios and now starting to bring in actual tv producers instead of using the movie folks.
It was ok, the non-serious, comedic nature of the show probably helped it, but it just sort of fit the trend of many D+ MCU shows being pretty subpar. The twerking scene was probably bottom of the barrel and the CGI for She-Hulk herself seemed pretty bad throughout the show (it’s hard not to notice). They probably should’ve just made it a cartoon rather than live-action. The ending, as with other shows, felt rushed as well, Marvel just does not know how to stick the landing on most of their D+ shows. But I guess we got a Daredevil cameo out of the whole thing, so that was cool.
I think it had a lot of the same issues the other recent Disney+ shows had, but it was a fun watch
Why don't you watch it and decide for yourself? What's with this need for everyone to be validated by the shitty opinions of others?
I thought it was funny and the characters were well crafted. The goofy tone worked surprisingly well, and in retrospect it shouldn't have surprised me how well it worked because we're talking about a universe where people turn into giant green beefcakes and shoot lightning out of their hands. That's silly as hell, and this show is really the first instance of the MCU acknowledging that. I want more of it.
I'd rather not potentially waste my time watching something to see if it's good, if others can tell me that have already seen it. That could be one reason people seek others' opinions first, idk. However I acknowledge that this method doesn't always lead to successful recommendations.
What’s with this need for everyone to be validated by the shitty opinions of others?
Also this need for everything to be put in a box. One or the other. Black or white. It's somewhere in between, like most things in life. I hate this weird need to label everything all the time.
I'll be honest, I thought She-Hulk was alright. Was it Marvel's best work? Not really. I think the ending was pretty... Different? Not good? A cop-out? Unsure.
It kinda feels like they just slapped together something for the sake of slapping together something, for money. If it felt like it was a bit more planned out in terms of story line, flow, and if the ending was an actual ending, then I think it'd be better rated.
Of course, the female-lead movies will have the misogynists that tank the ratings, and that's unfortunately unavoidable. But I think some of She-Hulk's ratings was that people were expecting a fully-fleshed-out season like their other streamables, like Daredevil, The Punisher, Wandavision. Those felt like complete, planned stories, even if meant to be supplemental to the movies. This felt different. In fact, most of the recent episodic stories feel different. Because I think they feel episodic: divided up while also trying to be a story.
I'm not sure if the portayal of She-Hulk is true to her comics. I honestly have only read a small handful of comics, so I go into the movies and shows just taking it in as it's shown.
She-Hulk felt like they tried to slap some laughs, fourth-wall-breaking, and a variety of cameos into a sort of "what whacky adventures will Jen the Hulk Lawyer get into today?", followed by a botched ending to wrap it all up.
Now all of that said, I did enjoy it. Except the ending, if I haven't made that clear enough. It was nice pieces of a story. I have nothing against She-Hulk as a character, or any of the female characters. I think its great to bring a wider variety of people (sex/genders, religions, sexual orientations, etc) into the multiverse. I just think this story was not great, and I hope that botching the story and causing bad ratings as a result wasn't an intentional act in order to say "See, people don't want this Marvel hero."
I think perhaps a bit of both? It had some good aspects and there were some total misses and most of it was just ok to meh. There was also a misogynist uproar surrounding it. But you don't need to be misogynist to hate it.