I don't know much about Israel or Gaza, but from a logical point of view, Hamas killing residents and people at a concert, by default, makes them disgusting animals, and terrorists. It is a true shame that innocent civilians in Gaza are being killed. Any nation would have to fight back against such an evil attack. I don't understand your point of view about supporting fascists
I don’t know much about Israel or Gaza, but from a logical point of view, Hamas killing residents and people at a concert, by default, makes them disgusting animals, and terrorists.
If you don't know much about the history, I would suggest you do a lot of research before jumping to conclusions on current events. Otherwise you would be making arguments based on faulty premises.
As an example, you said "Hamas killing residents". They aren't residents, they are occupiers. Nor were they the primary target anyway. By international law, the things an occupied body is allowed to do to resist their occupiers is fairly extensive. I would also argue that having a party immediately outside the concentration camp you are keeping people makes you a disgusting animal (and an idiot besides).
You can't just say "logically X" without knowing any of the conditions that lead to the situation as it exists now.
Any nation would have to fight back against such an evil attack.
That is what the Palestinian people are doing. Take into account that for the vast majority of the Palestinian people they were born and raised in those concentration camps. We have no right to judge what they do to break free. In all honesty, if I had been kept in a concentration camp my entire life only to break out and see a bunch of my jailers having a party, I would probably do worse.
I don’t understand your point of view about supporting fascists
Israel are colonizers and fascists. Considering they have mandatory military service, none of them (save those too young to know better and leave) are particularly innocent of that. Spouting their talking points is, at best, tacit support of fascism.
"I don't know what's going on, but white people are getting killed, and I'm against that"
When you call for death to Israel, do you mean the people in Israel or the government of Israel?
שאתה טיפש או מה ?
אני מתכוון המדינה הציונית (המשטר הציונית) לא האנשים. אני יהודי ספרדי ואני שונא את הכיבוש הציוני . המשטר הציוני לא צריך להתקיים ! .
Zionist Settlers are not civilians , they ( zionists ) are occupying the land of the Palestinian people , Palestine belongs to the Palestinian people .
They have stolen land of the Palestinian people and I am completely against it .
What did the Palestinian people did to me ? Nothing !
The Palestinian people are fighting against Occupation and they have the full right to self-defense against the zionist regime .
Palestine has the right to armed struggle and defend itself against the zionist occupation regime .
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-196558/
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-184281/
12.“Further condemns the expansionist activities of Israel in the Middle East, as well as the continuous bombing of civilian Arab and, in particular, Palestinian populations and the destruction of their villages and encampments, which constitutes a serious obstacles to the realization of the self-determination and independence of the Palestinian people.”
Yes, hamas is always justified in whatever they do. "bu-but what about..." no. Justified.
That...should be a fairly easy thing to look up?
It is a nationalistic pro-Israel movement that believes that Israel has claims/owns the land that belongs to Palestine. It could be further broken down into just believing that a Jewish state should exist, but it tends to be more closely related to the Israel we know of today. The movement is fundamentally rooted in the subjugation we see of the Palestinian people today.
Israel likes to try to conflate zionism with being Jewish in general, so that they can handwave away any opposition as being antisemitic and racist. However, notably many Jewish people are themselves not Zionists. Many have been outspoken in support of Palestine in fact. Zionism has nothing really to do with racial identity.
Israel likes to try to conflate zionism with being Jewish in general, so that they can handwave away any opposition as being antisemitic and racist. However, notably many Jewish people are themselves not Zionists. Many have been outspoken in support of Palestine in fact. Zionism has nothing really to do with racial identity.
Well said comrade ! 👍🏼
"Look, someone believes differently than we do. We gotta kill them" Sounds like fascism
I wish I could actually talk about this shit with liberals but ya'll are too stuck in the fucking clouds
Do you have any links or suggestions to learn? Everyone is a product of their environment to an extent. I prefer uncomfortable truths to comforting lies
Gaza Fights for Freedom (2019) - Documentary
How Palestine Became Colonized (2016) - Documentary
Massacres were indispensable to creation of the Israeli state - Article
Letter from Gaza: ‘We prefer to die standing than to give up’ - Article
Electronic Intifada - Journalism outlet
Palestinians get killed when they do nothing, they get killed when they protest peacefully. Western libs continue to fund and ignore the deaths of Palestinians regardless. Palestinians are being murdered en masse now for those who have taken up arms, but their reality has been that they are murdered en masse regardless anyway, because the plan is to remove them (edit: that is to say, "responding" to their resistance is just a pretext, an excuse to kill/remove Palestinians will always be found, no matter what the narrative around it is). Some random liberal who openly admits not knowing much about the situation and refusing to support Palestinian liberation because an organized resistance is too scary for liberal bystanders to think about really means nothing to Palestinians. Westerners, settlers, liberals can debate all they want about it and be sad that Palestinians aren't dying more quietly and politely, but it's a basic reality that people who are being oppressed are going to resist. And when your plan is to remove a people and you silence and kill off and ignore all of their peaceful resistance efforts (of which there always have been and are many, but it's ignored), all that remains is organized militant resistance. If you remain ignorant of it now or only care to genuinely listen to one side then you truly do not give a fuck about stopping violence, you just want to keep having dance parties next to concentration camps.
I'm not going to respond further but good luck in learning, I hope you mean it.
I prefer uncomfortable truths to comforting lies
No you don't. You like congratulating yourself for being above it all, and that's a clownish lie.
Massacring people ‘for their opinions’ existed for centuries before Fascism and was visible in, for example, the United States in the 1780s. Likewise, while some Fascists (e.g. the Squadristas) preferred lethal force, others were content to imprison their enemies on islands, in concentration camps, or elsewhat, before letting them go. It is important to note that like neoliberals, the Fascists distinguished between acceptable and unacceptable dissent. Just a few days ago I shared a document demonstrating how the Third Reich allowed Zionist organizations, even if they were critical of the Reich.
Fascism was the form that capital had to assume due to its own deficiencies, namely the concessions to the proletariat. Quashing dissent was not the heart of Fascism; it was petty bourgeois anticommunism.
