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Labour to u-turn on plans to abolish Lords in first term – report

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/labour-to-u-turn-on-plans-to-abolish-lords-in-first-term-report/a739792734.html

Major plans for social care reform will not be included in Labour’s manifesto, according to reports, with House of Lords reform also potentially set to be scaled back.

Pretty sad. There is a massive cry for reform and yet we have no one willing to take the bull by the horns.

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Oneeightnine

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Labour..U-turn? I refuse to believe it.

apis

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Backing down on social care reform seems even more alarming, but I suppose the reality is they have a monumentally difficult task ahead to merely stabilise things in the wake of all the damage wreaked by the Tories.

Until that is somewhat underway, repairs & reforms could easily get sucked down the drain as well.

Fuck me though, this is all so beyond frustrating.

Flax_vert

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Why target the Lords when the commons cause all the problems?

Oneeightnine

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When the lord's is working they do a pretty good job of holding the government In check, but that shouldn't mean that heavy reform isn't needed.

Flax_vert

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I think reform is better than abolishment. Honestly, I think life peerages are a good idea because then you can stick to stuff without worrying about your career. I think they should be more appointed though based on merit and background, eg, former university and school principals, people in various other key private industries, nhs staff, policing, etc

Syldon

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The Lords are a problem in itself. There are close links between Tory Chairmen, £3m and places in the Lords.

blackn1ght

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This is why I wouldn't trust Labour with electoral reform. If they ever do say they'll do it it's because they'll be trying to appease a group but will instantly drop it the first chance they get.

Syldon

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If Labour let PR slide, the Tories will return. They will return having learned the lessons of the last 13 years. The next time the Tories get it, they may be here for good. They are in think tanks with the Republicans in the US. Both Republicans and the Tories are looking to take full control of the state. Trump has actually said he wants to rip up the US Constitution. Johnson captured lots of key institutions into government control. There is very little point in voting Labour if this is just going to be a cycle back to the Tories. If the Tories return, then the best we could wish for is that the Tories just sell everything off again; the worst case is that they will go for a full on power grab.

cupcakezealot

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They'll return anyway because Labour will be a milquetoast government only given power because the Tories were so unliked.

The Tories who gave their vote to Labour will go back when nothing gets done and the left that Keir chased away won't bother coming back

Syldon

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That very much depends how the Tories change after the defeat. A look in the US's GOP doesn't bode well. Big money is funding this shambles, because they know this is a easy win for profits over time. I cannot see the Tories moving away from that cash cow quickly myself. I really would like to think I am wrong. Having one dominant party in the UK would not be good for us.

The whole push behind electoral reform is to stop extremism being prevalent in the two main parties. A PR voting system would moderate any party that wants serious election results. And just as much as the current bunch in the Tories have been bad for the UK, I believe Corbyn could have easily been as bad.

cupcakezealot

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you should just list things that labour won't u turn on it'd be easier