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@lemmy.worldReligious “knowledge” is based around non-falsifiability of certain doctrines and axioms. Even within their own epistemological frameworks they have non-falsifiable arguments.
Agreed! Vaguely. I'm not sure I'm sure of that - but only because I personally just don't know enough religion to confirm.
...scientific process which must be fundamentally falsifiable.
Disagreed, following on from Kuhn and Lakatos (not exactly a high-quality source, but it's a reasonably to the point overview of the criticisms of falsifiability).
In a broadly over-general way, people who adhere to both science and religion attempt to make sense of their experiences as everyday practice. Both lay-persons and experts (across both science and religion) attempt to mobilize what they understand as the shared practices by which valid knowledge is produced. Those shared practices can be different across science and religion - but not always, note the adherence to formal academic practices and traditions among Western religious experts, and the study of religion in academia - but they are both epistemic practices differently structured, if often incommensurable.
Here's a book on what you're talking about - African Fractals: Modern Computing and Indigenous Design
Yeah I legitimately understand - I'm being critical of the arguments for science here, and normally the only people who do that are not arguing in good faith.
Great! My only defense is that I tend to have very little time to post - and what started as casual disagreement turned into something I wanted to see through.
Speaking of, I still disagree - and more specifically I'll say that both are epistemic communities, engaged in epistemic debates, using agreed upon epistemic practices and techniques for members of those communities.
Again, just because you (and I!) have problems with those epistemic practices is no reason to describe their debates as foundationally different. Unless I'm wrong, you and others in the thread have argued that the debates - on the basis of the forms and types of evidence being mobilized - are problematic compared to those in science. If we're talking about the evidence as the problem, we're talking about epistemology, not controversy.
While my core point here is (admittedly!) relatively tiny and pedantic, the argument here highlights what I see as the bigger problem, which is that many atheists are willing to count the lived messiness of epistemic communities against the religious, while they raise science to be some gleaming, monolithic, purely logical practice. It's not, making shared knowledge is messy, and saying so does not make science any less legitimate.
What evidence is there for the fundamental assertion within Christianity that the Christian god exists in the first place?
None, as far as I'm aware! I'm not defending the religion.
What room is there for questioning that assertion?
In some factions, plenty. In others, not so much. I've met plenty of Christian folks that don't believe in intelligent design, and it's not like they're immediately ejected from the church - and this appears to even be true among Catholic leadership. It's a controversy.
And don’t give me that “intelligent design” bullshit
I think you have the wrong idea about me, which is understandable, given how annoying I'm being.
No, this is just the end to a side discussion about objectivity - my main critique is that disagreement among adherents to a given religion should not be a reason to dismiss them.
But I'll admit I'm having more fun than I am trying to really educate, and agree with your assessment that I am doing a mediocre job at best.
As for making people angry (or, more likely, annoyed) - apologies! My aim is to challenge, not annoy. Mostly.