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In Lula's first six months, Brazil Amazon deforestation dropped 34%, reversing trend under Bolsonaro

https://apnews.com/article/brazil-amazon-deforestation-lula-climate-change-2fe225f71a8f484e8d365ea641acd65e

Deforestation in Brazil's Amazon rainforest dropped 33.6% in the first six months of President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva’s term, providing an encouraging sign for his administration's environmental efforts.

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amprebel

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This will be good news only when we start hearing about reforestation rates exceeding deforestation. Till then it's just various levels of bad.

aaaantoine

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Agreed, but at least it's not as bad as it was.

charlytune

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And also when we hear about the heads of logging companies serving long jail sentences for all the deaths of indigenous people they've been directly complicit in.

novibe

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Let’s hear about reforestation in Europe and Asia. You guys destroyed your forests hundreds of years ago…

PowerCrazy

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This ain't it chief. The old growth european forests were destroyed centuries ago. That doesn't mean that we should accept Brazil destroying one of the worlds remaining old-growth forests.

novibe

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Never said anything about that. But the focus is always on the poor colonised countries to protect their nature and not develop. While Europe destroyed its forests and much of the forests of the world through centuries of colonialism.

What about this. If the developed world wants the Amazon and other rainforests to stay intact, why don’t they pay Brazil, Bolivia, Indonesia etc.?

PowerCrazy

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Payment implies a capitalist world order, which would be impossible if we lived in a world where natural resources are given non-extraction value. So rich countries paying poorer countries for environmental purposes is already a nonsense premise. In a different socialist world, maybe that could work in some way. Regardless of how you want to frame it, deforestation should be opposed in all ways, including state-sponsored violence.

novibe

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Why would payment imply capitalism? Pay in resources idk, who cares. Europe is rich because of the material wealth from South America, Africa and Asia.

For Brazil to forgo exploiting its material wealth, it has to be compensated.

Or it will forever exist in a subservient and underdeveloped state.

That’s just pure logic, I’m not sure what is wrong with what I said.

PowerCrazy

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Because it won't happen and can't happen in our current world. It's nonsense. It's like pontificating what would happen if personal teleportation existed.

novibe

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Ah so thinking about solutions, very doable solutions mind you, is nonsense. It’s like teleportation, which is physically impossible. While making payments to developing countries to keep their nature intact is perfectly possible in many many ways.

But yeah, let’s all completely stop deforesting. That’s much more plausible.

HowRu68

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It's being done in Europe since decades actually and probably in other places. Not sure though whether the figures are true, and or how they are calculated. But I'd say slowly Europe is getting there.

article Washington Post 2014

Forest and nature destruction, started actually thousands of years ago What has changed though the last couple hundreds years is an extreem population boom.

The first polluted river in the world is like 5000 yo or something.

Ad. just saw someone else saying reforestation even started 100s of years ago. Though reforestation to me, also means more net green.

novibe

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Sure when Europe recovers forested areas the size of the rainforests in Africa, South America and Asia, then we can all stop deforesting…

Or how about as a species we actually put a value on nature and pay countries to protect their forests and biomes?

Redex68

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During the late 19th and 20th centuries a huge amount of artificial reforestation was implemented.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_forest_in_Central_Europe

https://ourworldindata.org/afforestation
https://environment.ec.europa.eu/strategy/forest-strategy_en
http://coffeespoons.me/2014/12/the-reforestation-of-europe/

Raphael

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In Lula's first six months, Brazil Amazon deforestation dropped 34%, reversing trend under Bolsonaro

In Lula's first six months, Brazil Amazon deforestation dropped 34%, reversing trend under Bolsonaro

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