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Fetal personhood laws are about more than abortion: Republicans block bill to protect IVF nationwide

https://keeptrack.substack.com/p/fetal-personhood-laws-are-about-more

This month’s Alabama court ruling that IVF (In Vitro Fertilization) embryos are “children” covered by wrongful death lawsuits has Republicans scrambling to distance themselves from the fallout. According to the party’s own polling, 85% of Americans support increasing access to fertility-related procedures and services. The high level of support remains consistent among the GOP’s most dedicated voters: 78% of abortion opponents and 83% of evangelicals support IVF specifically.

Fetal personhood laws are about more than abortion: Republicans block bill to protect IVF nationwide

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Jeknilah

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You really think IVF is a right? Somehow a lifestyle medical procedure is a right in your mind.

How do you expect anyone to care about this frivoulous nonsense when housing, the internet, food, and affordable healthcare all aren't rights? All you're doing is clawing for more privilege.

CarbonIceDragon

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People generally hold that one has a right to have children (consider that things like government enforced sterilization of low income or minority groups are generally considered to be egregious breaches of the rights of the people affected.) IVF is used to assist people who wish to have children but who for medical reasons have been unable to do so, thus prohibiting it denies the people who need it in order to have kids the right to have them, thus it must be a right by proxy. Yes, things like housing and food should be rights too, but those are irrelevant to this discussion, given that it is possible for more than one thing to be an issue at a time.

mosiacmango

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Dude is on @monero.town. no way this is good faith discussion.

Ashyr

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What's monero.town? I've not seen it before

Sanctus

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Monero is a cryptocurrency. So its probably a libertarian tech bro hive.

homesweethomeMrL

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Fun fact: on some lemmy apps you can press-and-hold the username to never see them again.

Jeknilah

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Right. As if signing up for an account on lemmy.world makes all the difference. Would you rather I do that?

You're the one acting in bad faith here.

Jeknilah

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Certainly, you have the right to not be prohibited from having children, but you aren't entitled to assistance for it. I don't think IVF should be prohibited either, but it isn't a right in the same sense as having a right to an attorney or the right to vote; it isn't even in the same category as the others. I can understand being entitled to food, housing, healthcare, and even the internet!, but entitlements to IVF make no sense.

CarbonIceDragon

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All rights require assistance to a lesser or greater extent to have any practical consequence. For example, if I were to make it illegal to share any information about where polling places are and then move them somewhere one would be unlikely to find by chance, it is technically still possible to vote if you manage to find the place to do it, but if I were to then argue that what I was doing wasn't violating your right to vote because you aren't entitled to assistance in exercising that right, you'd rightly call bullshit on that argument.

Further, "rights" do not exclusively refer to things spelled out as part of the constitution like the right to vote. There isn't any explicit right to walk in the constitution that I can think of, but were I to make canes and crutches illegal, it'd absolutely be fair to say that i was taking away disabled people's right to walk.

Trainguyrom

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You really think IVF is a right? Somehow a lifestyle medical procedure is a right in your min

Restricting reproductive access falls into the "eugenics" umbrella. Of almost any eugenics scheme that's ever been proposed or implemented a core feature has been preventing people who want to have kids from having kids

How do you expect anyone to care about this frivoulous nonsense when housing, the internet, food, and affordable healthcare all aren’t rights? All you’re doing is clawing for more privilege.

This is an argument against restricting rights. The GOP appears to be shifting strategy to preventing access to IVF, probably as a new front of the ongoing culture war they use as a smoke screen for everything else they do. Taking away rights that have no good reason to be taken away is absolutely worth fighting for.