Capitalism has demonstrably led to more people being fed, and communism has demonstrably led to starvation. I'm not referencing theory, I'm referencing reality. You can believe the sky is yellow, but it isn't.
My position is that social support networks are in no way incompatible with capitalism, as evidenced by -gestures literally everywhere-
Listen. You are alive today only because in the past, it had not gone unnoticed that capitalist society is in its basic essence incapable of the one most obviously essential functions of society, to keep its population alive.
Food banks and government assistance are developments that compensate for the failures of the system you defend so adamantly.
Invoking them as a defense is absolutely inane.
I am alive today because many people realized that an economic system alone isn't sufficient to fix all of society's problems, and implemented social safety nets. I'm alive because greedy pharmaceutical companies invented drugs that keep me alive. I'm alive because my ancestors moved here because capitalism was demonstrably improving lives.
I understand that it seems to you that we can't have compatibilism between communism and capitalism because the ideologies are anyithetical. But that's just it, they're just ideologies. They don't like up cleanly with reality. I'm perfectly fine with socialist movements like labor unions and social safety nets working in concert with capitalism. We need significant checks on capitalism to dismantle the current oligopoly. But we also need significant checks on communism, lest we all end up driving beige cars and shopping at soviet-quality grocers.
This isn't inane, it's just not lining up with your extremist rhetoric. What you want under a socialist or communist government is for good to be provided to those that need it. But when it comes in the form of excess capital being redistributed to the poor by good banks, you find it inherently offensive. We are feeding the poor, successfully, under capitalism. If it were fundamentally contradictory, it wouldn't be happening. And yet it clearly is.
Again, all I want from you is better propaganda.
Wow. You quite seem to enjoy twisting yourself into knots.
No one suggested that an economic system would solve every problem, but plainly the most essential objective is keeping everyone adequately fed.
Capitalism is an economic system based on the profit motive.
The profit motive makes some immensely wealthy, while keeping others deprived.
Therefore, capitalist society completely fails on its own merits to support the one objective that is singularly most indispensable for any society.
Do you understand why the objection is being given against capitalism, the system that insists profits are more important than people?
Also, you have begun descending more deeply into capitalist apologetics, by arguing that the profit motive of pharmaceutical shareholders, and not the skill and dedication of researchers, leads to development of successful therapies.
Capitalism doesn't "insist" anything, your propaganda does. It objectively and demonstrably keeps everyone fed.
Capitalism creates profit, the motive for profit is intrinsic to its utility.
I understand why you are objecting to what I have to say: you have fallen for propaganda. We all do.
I am not a "capitalist apologetic" I am just an American. How the fuck do you make a living that isn't capitalist? You in a kibbutz? You currently living in a collectiviey commune? You understand you just can go do that, right? Why aren't you, if that's what you want?
You are so fixated on the belief about propagandistic manipulation that you are not even responding coherently, and have not been throughout discussion, to the extremely simply observations being placed before you.
Your engagement is in bad faith.
You got a source on that? The CIA conducted studies and found that throughout a vast majority of the existence of the USSR, that was a complete fabrication. The people were eating roughly equivalent calories, but the soviets had a significantly healthier and nutritious diet.
You want a source for the existence of Mao's Great Famine? You want a source for the Holocaust too? Jesus Christ no wonder you guys fall for the commie propaganda.