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Kyle Rittenhouse's family plead for money as they face eviction

https://www.newsweek.com/kyle-rittenhouse-family-plea-money-after-being-evicted-1915618

Kyle Rittenhouse is unwilling "to provide or contribute to our family," according to his sister.

Kyle Rittenhouse's family plead for money as they face eviction

Kyle Rittenhouse's sister Faith is seeking $3,000 on a crowdfunding website in a bid to prevent the eviction of herself and her mother Wendy from their home, citing her "brother's unwillingness to provide or contribute to our family."

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meathorse

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In not familiar with exactly what happened that night but just an uneducated guess:

All of the threats that Kyle encountered was in response to the fact that he was playing Timmy Toughguy and actively strolling around with a gun...

If he was just wandering around being an unarmed cunt then the chance of being swung at is still not zero but pretty damn close to it.

If at any point he ran - and kept running, or dropped the gun and ran, fully retreating from the crowd I doubt he would have been chased too far and the need to shoot would have been eliminated

In the same way he (correctly) saw others as a threat, the primary reason he was being threatened was because everyone else saw a random civilian with an assault rifle that was a 50x larger threat well before they threatened him. Even if he intended to do nothing with it, he knew he was sending a threatening message just being there with it and he then seemed shocked when people started responding to that threat - of course they would try and disarm him at a bare minimum.

The threat to Kyle at this point was genuinely high because most adults in the US - or anywhere - instantly recognise what a random civilian in public with an assault rifle means - mass shooting. This is exactly the message Kyle intended to send in order to scare rioters off. If he wasn't there just to scare people off then he was there to actively murder people. At this point I could put it down to a dumb kid making a really stupid mistake. Maybe worth a few years in jail for gun charges or inciting violence?

But he didn't retreat as he was being threatened - a fraction of what he was threatening others. He chose to attack instead and it's at this point he deserves to spend the rest of his days rotting in jail. He tried to send a message, that message wasn't received so he murdered those who were fearing for, and attempting to protect their own lives.

Kyle choose to be the aggressor - and much greater threat to anyone there - from the start. He wasn't protecting his own family, house or neighbourhood, he crossed state lines to be an aggressor. Kyle continued to act as the aggressor at every stage of the encounter.

Fuck Kyle.

ArcaneSlime

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The problem comes in with

All of the threats that Kyle encountered was in response to the fact that he was playing Timmy Toughguy and actively strolling around with a gun...

Perhaps this may surprise you, but you are not legally justified in trying to kill someone just because they have a gun. Also not allowed to kill someone who has just legally defended themselves in a deadly force encounter, that is for the court system to decide. It is legal to get involved in third party encounters, however you best be sure you're not helping the side that will later be declared the aggressor in court and so it is generally seen as very risky to do.

If at any point he ran - and kept running, or dropped the gun and ran, fully retreating from the crowd I doubt he would have been chased too far and the need to shoot would have been eliminated

Ok at this point it may behoove you to actually look at at least the videos of the incident if not the whole trial which was streamed. He did run. He walked by a car, Rosenbaum popped out screaming "I'm going to kill you," Kyle runs, chase ensues, Kyle gets cornered and turns around to find Rosenbaum reaching for the gun, Kyle shoots Rosenbaum 4x, makes a phone call, the crowd yells "he just shot that dude, get him," Kyle starts running again, unknown man hits him with a rock in the back of the head which downs Kyle, Kyle rolls over and misses Jump Kick Man, then another dude walks up but surrenders when Kyle points his rifle (but didn't fire), then Huber hits him with a skateboard and gets shot attempting to take Kyle's rifle, then Grosskreutz feigns surrender and pulls out a gun he wasn't legally allowed to own pointing it at Kyle, Kyle shoots, Gabe backs off, Kyle gets up and goes to the line of police cars right up the road who give him a bottle of water and tell him to go home, he turns himself in the next day.

Again, you can't "disarm someone" who is legally carrying a gun, that is illegal to do and constitutes a deadly threat, and if he shoots you for trying he will get off.

But he didn't retreat as he was being threatened -

But he did, at every opportunity and by all definitions he retreated until he was cornered and then again until he was downed by a rock to the back of his head.

"The aggressor" isn't whoever you decide, it's the guy screaming "I'm going to fucking kill you" while chasing you through a parking lot.

Anamnesis

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No one could watch the videos and come away with this take you've constructed. He obviously is retreating in both videos. And carrying a gun in the open is not a provocation to violence. Not is it illegal in Wisconsin.

I hope that, rather than knee-jerk down vote, people will go watch both videos. We can do better than shitheads on the Donald.

sunzu

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People don't care what is legal. Bring guns to this shit is what the issue and no mount it is legal going to change anyones opniom or would make them want to be around this shit stain or anyone else bringing weapons around like that.

People don't like guns around legal or not.

ArcaneSlime

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And I don't like Taylor Swift but there's not shit I can do except not listen to the radio. Can't attack everyone who plays "she wears short skirts."

People have a legal right to do legal things whether or not you like it and trying to stop them using physical violence makes you the aggressor both legally and morally.

sunzu

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He exercised his rights, I hope he enjoys rest of his life haha

ArcaneSlime

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Tbf, he likely has a "rest of his life" because he did. All in all I'd say that's better than dead.

sunzu

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Could have been avoided if he did not bring the gun to the party ;)

ArcaneSlime

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Interesting definition of party, I guess.

BassaForte

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Kyle wasn't the only person there with a rifle.

Also if you're not familiar with what happened that night, why are you commenting? Everybody makes assumptions based on the outcome of the incident, but nobody seems to have watched the videos which paint things differently and more clearly.

If everyone would shut the fuck up about this incident there wouldn't be so much misinformation around it, and better yet we'd stop seeing this fuckface in the news.

TheFonz

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If you're not familiar, why don't you inform yourself? There's plenty of video footage of the night. There's plenty of witness testimony. We all hate Kyle, myself included, but it doesn't help to go around spreading misinformation. It makes our side look like imbeciles living up to the memes.

damnedfurry

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This is a lot of words to say that you don't understand that nobody freaks out about someone open carrying in a state where open carry is legal.

No one felt threatened by his presence. No one reacted to him showing up. No one had any problem with him walking around doing his thing for hours, while the rifle was strapped to him the whole time. If him merely existing with a rifle on him was such a threat, why is that? How come no one gave a shit about him except for a crazy guy who set a fire that Kyle put out?

Funny how this question never gets an answer, because there's no way to answer it honestly without piercing a massive hole in your argument.

TrickDacy

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Pfft , so if he didn't kill everyone that night, obviously the people he victimized were the only ones who had any issues with him open carrying. Looks like someone is projecting massive argument holes.

damnedfurry

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the primary reason he was being threatened was because everyone else saw a random civilian with an assault rifle

This is simply objectively bullshit, and you obviously don't live in an open carry state. Nobody gave a shit about his rifle. There is video of him walking around, rifle in plain view, and nobody is even giving him a second glance.

he knew he was sending a threatening message just being there with it

More bullshit--even if he was trying to 'send a threatening message', he clearly failed, see referenced video above

he then seemed shocked when people started responding to that threat

Another lie. NOBODY "responded" to him being armed. He was attacked by a maniac for putting out the dumpster fire said maniac set. Had literally nothing to do with his rifle. And that attack is what caused the two other idiots to try to kill Rittenhouse, and in turn reap the consequences.

Your delusion that he was this menacing, threatening presence just by existing in Kenosha while having a rifle strapped to him is pure fantasy, period.

TrickDacy

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I don't care. The fact that you want to defend him says it all.

damnedfurry

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You've established pretty unambiguously that you don't care what the facts are. You've got your narrative, and you're gonna cling to it with both hands, inconvenient truths be damned.

That's not a virtue, you know. But defending the truth against lies, even if they are lies about your enemy, is. You should consider it.

TrickDacy

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Defending pieces of shit is not a virtue. It would be a vice actually, you hypocrite.