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Harvard board bars 13 pro-Palestine student protesters from graduating, overruling faculty

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4680598-harvard-board-bars-13-pro-palestine-student-protesters-from-graduating-overruling-faculty/

Harvard University’s governing board rejected an effort from faculty Wednesday to allow a group of 13 students sanctioned due to their participation in pro-Palestine protests to receive their degre…

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KnitWit

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Thanks for the 4 years tuition though!

I could see them barring them from walking for their degree, but to hold it completely is messed up. Bullshit that ‘the corporation’ overruled the faculty vote.

Etterra

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And that's why nobody should ever go to a fot-profit school.

spamfajitas

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The fun thing is that people say "I graduated" or "I'm graduating" but it's technically more correct to say "I am being graduated (by the university)." I might be mixing it up a bit, but the idea is that the university always has the final say over whether or not you get that important piece of paper at the end.

One of my teachers in high school taught us this, but I never actually thought I'd see it in action. It's cruel.

Croquette

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Which is bullshit. If you got the grades and paid your tuition, a university should not be able to withhold your degree. They can ban you from the graduation ceremony, but that's it.

It is crazy that a university hold such power over someone.

jaybone

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Seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

UnderpantsWeevil

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Harvard doesn't give grades. You either pass, fail, or pass with honors, more or less entirely at the whim of your professors.

It's much more of a social club than a school, and being denied a degree is more akin to having your country club membership revoked than your credentials refuted.

It's almost pro-forma, as the real benefit of attending Harvard is rubbing shoulders with the children of billionaires. The goal is to find someone willing to become your financial patron, not to hold a piece of paper confirming that you did all your homework.

If these kids are on the outs with the school board, they've already been blacklisted by anyone that matters.

EatATaco

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So if they pay tuition, get the grades, but then rape and murder another student on campus. . .they have to give that person a degree?

snooggums

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Does lemm.ee require everyone who joins to be an insufferable tool?

todd_bonzalez

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Yeah, it's in the TOS.

EatATaco

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Personal attack instead of considering the point. It's easier than addressing the reductio ad absurdum that undercuts the whole argument.

snooggums

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Your 'point' was bad and you should feel bad.

EatATaco

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Headline is misleading. The article notes that they arent necessarily withholding them permanently, but because they are going through the disciplinary process, and so currently not in good standing, they can't get them at graduation.

IndustryStandard

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Similar to Israel telling Palestinians that they can't have a state "right now" and have to come to "agreeable" terms first.

If there is no term given it means permanently.

EatATaco

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But they did "give the terms": they are not in good standing right now, and when the disciplinary action is complete then a final decision will be made.

IndustryStandard

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As long as the students are not allowed to graduate the headline remains correct.

EatATaco

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It might be technically correct because bar does not necessarily mean permanently, but it implies that, and your claim that it means permanent is definitely false, especially if you're basing it on the logic you used to claim it's permanent.

IndustryStandard

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Technically are permanently barred unless overturned. But the title never used the word permanent.

EatATaco

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Technically are permanently barred unless overturned.

The articles notes that they are not in good standing because they are in the process of disciplinary action. So considering this is not a ruling against them that needs to be overturned. If you have some kind of evidence otherwise, I would like to see it.