@The_Terrible_Humbaba
@beehaw.orgTo everyone who is against this, and call the people supporting it "disgusting":
Here is a post on Beehaw about climate activists who spray-painted a yacht. Posted about 10 days ago but only has 68 upvotes, and 15 comments at this time; meanwhile this post sits at 182 votes and 151 comments just 1 day after. Off course, you could argue it's because c/environment isn't as big as c/news; although that could be said to be a demonstration of the problem itself. But the real questions are: why did it not spread further, and why did you almost certainly not hear about it?
Because no one gives a shit about that. It raises no eyebrows. Because it's meaningless and doesn't really inconvenience anyone. She probably just had her yacht cleaned, and it never bothered her for more than the 5 seconds she was made aware of the spray paint. It's not going to stop any other rich people from buying yachts, and it's not going to raise the awareness of the average person and cause them to reduce their consumption either. In the end, it accomplished absolutely nothing.
Climate activists have been trying peaceful protests for 50 years, do you need a reminder of how bad things are getting?
And before the arguments about how this affects "working class" people, but all of it is really the billionaire's and companies fault and that governments need to act: What do companies stand to gain from ruining the planet? Money, which the people give to them while offering each other excuses to consume. What could a government do to stop it? Well, they could introduce carbon taxes, stop subsidizing meat, and invest in more bike lanes and public transport; which would all result in higher gas prices, higher prices for anything made of plastic (among other goods), more expensive energy, much more expensive meat, a lot more bike lanes with smaller roads, and more public transport. Are these all things you're okay with? If yes, then there's no reason to not get "ahead" (although we're far behind) of the problem and start organizing; and if no... well, then you might have stumbled into the problem.
Finally, here is a picture from two posts on c/news that I think illustrates the problem quite well.
Do they need to repress anything, or do people just not care? The yacht news was shared on here, I was literally in that thread. After 2 days, it had less than 60 upvotes and about 10 comments.
In one day, this post is already near 200 upvotes and has 148 comments.
But I guess let's just keep pretending we're all angles and that the 1% and leading class are acting in complete isolation. Let's just keep pretending they are the only problem.
People only care when something might affect them directly, and people messing with theirs cars seems a lot closer to a possible reality to them then being affected by climate change. Which is why everyone claims to want for there to be action to stop climate change, but they are incredibly stubborn about having to change anything about their way of life.
I can easily go without using my phone for extended periods of time, and always have been. I've never really been "phone addicted", and never used my phone during class - despite having one for the entirety of my school years.
That still never stopped me from not paying any attention in class. Drawing on a book/desk, talking to the person next to me, looking out the window, or just spending time with my imagination were things I did too often, and I never needed a phone for any of it.
I seriously doubt banning phones would make much of a difference, other than pissing plenty of kids off. You're essentially being forced to go to a place, every day, where you will be stripped of your personal belongings and are not allowed to be in contact with the outside world.
I'm talking about first and third party websites tracking you. I don't use Chrome or Opera, but I'd rather only have to trust a browser of my choice, than having to place my trust in thousands of different websites.
The point is, if you care about tracking and privacy, you shouldn't be using Vivaldi in the first place.
According to this Vivaldi protects you from tracking about the same as Chrome and Opera, and both of those provide less tracking protection than even Edge.
When this topic comes up people usually bring up search engines that still use either Google or Bing's index, so if you want to look at something completely independent of those:
But if you can't get anyone's attention in the first place, then it's impossible to bring them to your side at all. Besides, as was already said, they never actually attempted to deface art.
You're essentially buying into propaganda designed to discredit climate activists and making them out to be terrorists.
Can I ask what you typically think about protesters, and things like the pride parade? Your thought process and the narrative you are using reminds me a lot of the people who complain about protesters occupying roads and blocking traffic, and who say they should go somewhere else and that they are actually harming their cause (I used to think like that). In reality, your narrative is what is actually damaging and is designed to make them look bad, and your advice would result in their message never being seen or heard by anyone. The whole point is to be disruptive and making it so that people hear the message.
"""Defacing""" valuable art is just a means to get eyes on you so that you can deliver the message. Spray-painting the back of a billionaires yacht is not going to get any eyes on you.
The whole point of protests like that is to gather attention in order to spread the message, and it worked. I would guess that this will not become as big of a story. Just using this post as an example: it was posted 2 days ago, but it only has 54 upvotes, 8 comments, and I'm only hearing about i now. Meanwhile, the protest with the works of art spread like wildfire.
You seem to be happy about maybe getting the attention of 1 billionaire, but will this really achieve? She can afford to get it cleaned pretty easy and quick, and it will barely register as a blip on her radar. It has no real effect on her, and no one else will care or even hear about it. How will this change or save the world?
You need the masses on your side to actually change things, but to do that you first need to get their attention and make them aware of the scale and reality of the problem. As "pretty" and "clean" as this might be, it will most likely achieve absolutely nothing.
Sort of, it depends on implementation. There are some techniques (which I don't really know) that will allow a 32 bit OS to address more than 4GB, but natively it can't for the same reason that the process will still be limited to 4GB.
Perhaps you already know this but: 32 bits can only represent 2^32 numbers (4.294.967.296), which is how many bytes 4GB is equivalent to, and so anything after that cannot be reached. This also means 64 bits can address up to something like 17 billion GB, or about 16 EB.
You don't need the friends, that is just one example. You have to think of the general concept and logic; Lemmy, as well as kbin, have communities. If one place manages to secure all or most major communities, they can pull the same thing. And Threads is meant to be a Twitter replacement, so you do have the bit about connections, as well as influencers. It's like Mastodon, but completely centralized.
So the same logic applies: if Threads joins the Fediverse and most people go to Threads, then most users who are not on Threads will still end up having a lot of discussions on Threads and following a lot of people there. Then some day, once Threads gets big enough, it will stop federating and Fediverse users will be forced to move if they want to keep those connections. Meanwhile, Mastodon dies. Lemmy and kbin might survive because they fill a different niche; however, if instances start federating with Threads and making it possible to follow people on there, then the same exodus will happen.
We can learn from history, or we can let it repeat itself. Federating with Threads would mean a huge failure to learn from history. And then maybe ten years later you'll be the one trying to warn someone else as they tell you how that time it's totally different.