I thought that subreddit was somewhat safe from liberalism but saw this
The comments are even worse. The fact this rhetoric made it even there genuinely makes me feels terrible. Are even other transfems this liberal or is this fed work?
The comments are even worse. The fact this rhetoric made it even there genuinely makes me feels terrible. Are even other transfems this liberal or is this fed work?
You seem to consider acknowledging that fewer people will suffer with one option than with the other as "standing with" that option. It's not about poc, queer trans and LGBT liberals taking some kind of deal with the devil; marginalized peoples are far more likely to already have disengaged politically. It's the fact that under one regime, more of societies burdens will be borne by those who least have the ability to bear them. If a system is to be resisted and revolted against, why sit back and let the system be as cruel as possible to those who least deserve it?
It’s not about poc, queer trans and LGBT liberals taking some kind of deal with the devil
What you describe after is pretty much the definition of a "deal with the devil." All that said, deals with the devil aside, let's just get to the meat of the argument- why should societies' burdens be borne by anyone but those guilty of perpetuating them? And why should we- as minorities no less, as the marginalized and disenfranchised- pass the buck, metaphorically, onto even more vulnerable people on the other side of the world, in migrant camps, in the injustice system, or elsewhere? The system has to end somewhere, at some point, where people- proles, whether it be the straight, white men, or people of whatever many layers of intersectional identity and circumstance- decide to call an end to all this. All playing into this system does is divide us, destroy our moral credibility, and strengthen the system which also directly perpetuates our own suffering as well as those of others. And as minorities, it only goes without saying that if we can go about our experiences without learning empathy from it- if we try to dump the problem on someone else undeserving- who's to say that the tables won't turn?
why sit back and let the system be as cruel as possible to those who least deserve it?
Who deserves it least? Me, just because I'm a trans POC? Should I pass the buck on to some random Palestinians, migrants, some even more disenfranchised "other" unfortunate enough to be next in line on the chopping block? And where does that constant betrayal and abandonment of any sort of human decency end? Why must I participate, to strengthen my own oppressors?
I'm not sitting back and letting the system be as cruel as possible- I am not and will not be silent, similarly I take care of me and mine and those I can around me- and furthermore, I am hoping to either insulate myself from the ongoing and intensifying crises, or leave the west altogether in time. Short of outright rebellion (in the present circumstances- it would be a quick martyrdom) there is not much else that I feel I can do, and sure, that may be lackluster- but if nothing else, I am trying not to be part of the problem, I will not facilitate the problem, and I do not think I would want to live with myself, contributing to part of the problem.
You seem to think walking away from the systems of power weakens them. In your desperation to not be part of the problem, you refuse to be part of a solution. I can't blame you, it's a rather bleak situation. But I see more suffering in the world where people give up the struggle out of hopelessness than the one where people keep fighting.
Holly, you misunderstood @SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml's point so fucking badly.
No, the point is NOT that not voting is supposed to somehow weaken the system, of course it doesn't, we know that. And no, it has nothing to do with "giving up the struggle out of hopelessness", the literal opposite in fact.
The point is that NO as we keep telling you all over and over again but you can't seem to ever get, Biden WILL NOT keep the right from oppressing trans peoples nor any other minorities, not even a little bit, the fact that so many peoples are still so convinced of the contrary after a full term with Biden as president during which minorities' rights kept being taken away just like during Trump's term is mind boggling, I don't know what kind of self gaslighting Biden supporter practice but it sure works well.
The idea that voting for Biden is a solution to anything at all, let alone to the right's attack on minority rights, is an illusion, a phantasm, a fable, whatever you want to call it, it's not real, it's not a thing and it never was a thing. Whatever you think would happen during Trump's presidency would either happen under Biden all the same or not happen even with Trump, plain and simple.
If you want to believe in the illusion that somehow the party that has never protected any minority from the right will decide to protect minorities from the right this time around and consider that supporting a genocide is a fair price for it you do you, but the peoples who base their politics on material reality instead of vibes won't no matter how many time you repeat tired liberal tropes.
I wonder why these sort of "We must vote for genocide Joe to stop genocide Trump" sorts always have that exact same blind spot, doesn't matter how many people tell them something, or what kind of format, they just refuse to accept that the two parties are not fundamentally different enough to make voting for either of them a worthwhile way to spend one's time. Every single one of them speaks like this, in a "if voting for Biden saves even one life, it would be worth it" very lib hypothetical.
I'm guessing they behave this way because they aren't in a position to actually do anything of substance to help people right now, and so want to find an excuse as to why supporting active harm against a different flavour of the same active harm is somehow some sort of "praxis" (that is incredibly low effort and something they can actually achieve at present.)
Liberals ignoring what we say tend to do so to protect their own egos, they don't want to feel like "bad guys" and want to feel like they're actively making the world a better place through their actions and beliefs, so these kind of..."vooter leftists" that have been popping up lately might have a similar thing going on, they always act like the only options are voting or nothing, so I think for them those are the only options right now, they just aren't in a position to do anything right now, no education, no volunteering, no protesting, only voting. So telling them that voting will not help anyone and only provides passive support for the bourgeoisie democracy is translated by their brain worms into "You should do nothing and watch as people die." which is probably why they are so hostile to the idea of not voting and act like we said something completely different to what we actually said to them.
Templates workshopped on DemocraticUnderground, no doubt. They've done that kind of shit for years; you can't pay me to think this wasn't developed by a committee of too-online liberal smuglords thinking they'd crafted a silver bullet for the werewolves they regard us as.
It does seem to have worked on some leftists in the states. The one who was here has been a hexbear user for a while, so for them to come out with this "vote blue no matter who" stuff is worrying. First Lemmygrad, now we have one from hexbear, it does kind of make me wonder if some attempt at "converting" people has taken place, using fearmongering to shut down their critical thinking skills and turn them into functionally back into liberals.
I think it's pretty damn sad that this is the best they can do. I guess they've already tried the "we can push Biden left!" thing and know that is bullshit, so all they've got is "If Trump is elected, he'll personally come to your house and murder everyone you love! He's a scary cheeto man!" I should probably just have that Malcolm X speech about the Dixiecrats saved and ready to copy-paste whenever anyone brings up voting for Biden. This is such an old and cliche liberal tactic, sad to see people falling for it.
I'm not washing my hands in your trough of blood just to keep the fucking settlers alive. I will not die here with my name counted next to the fucking genociders. It's a non-starter. I'd literally rather the country fell than be complicit.
